Floyd May Soon Take Over Ali's Crown !!

[Wiley Hyena]

Mayweather=Ali??

Ultimataboxa, just because you have your own site does not mean that you have the last voice on boxing. Frankly, after your last couple of posts here, I don't really care what you think because you're so obviously wrong about a great number of things.

First, Ali is not the greatest boxer who ever lived. No way. He was an all time great, but not the greatest. The thought of Ali trying on James J. "The Boilermaker" Jeffries in his prime in a 25+ round fight with the 3 ounce gloves (circa 1899) gives me shudders. The original "grizzlybear" would have beaten the stylist to an unrecognizable pulp. But, I cannot stop here, it gets worse. Joe Louis owns the longest championship reign in history. Marciano retired as undisputed undefeated champion of the world. Ali simply cannot make those history making claims. Of course I've just been talking about the heavyweights. Once we move down the ladder and start talking about the likes of Harry Greb and Sugar Ray Robinson, and many others...well... a short amount of research there should prove a severe shock to you.

Second, as to Mayweather...ho..ho..ho. Mayweather is to the history of boxing, what Jimmy Carter is to the history of the United States. Ok, he was president, but no George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. Nobody but the most ardent Mayweatherphiles will miss Floyd when he retires. True greats always have the mass following of their contemporaries. Floyd's peck and run style is simply boring, I don't care if he is 500-0! Will he beat Hatten? Probably. Will I pay to see the fight? Never. I'll wait for the re-run. Do you think I'm the only person in the world that feels this way? Don't count on it. And, this is why Mayweather will never be a true great. I simply don't care how many 12 round pillowfights he wins.

[SkillspayBills]

You have to actually be in front of someone to get knocked down

This ladies and gentleman, is a HATER.

[Wiley Hyena]

I'm a lover not a hater. Sometimes, the truth hurts. I can't help that.

[neils7147933]

Floyd Mayweather may be the only fighter in history who could have won a world title on professional debut. After his first few fights, against Apodaca and Reggie Sanders, it was evident that Floyd had natural talent. His talent was always there to see and since his early fights he has developed arguably the greatest defence in the history of boxing.

It is obvious that Castillo beat Floyd Mayweather in there first fight, but counting the fight as a loss for Floyd, he is still heading for high grounds. After recently disposing of De La Hoya, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell and Judah, Floyd is a level above the best fighters of the current generation.

When being in the middle of an exchange, Floyd unlike any other boxer, can stop throwing punches, and not get to badly hurt by his opponent. His right arm stops body shots and his head is positioned a considerable distance from his opponent making it hard for their shots to have power on impact and hurt Floyd. Combining that with lighting hand speed, his attacking skills are diverse and the best in the world, yet not as good as his defensive skills.

If Floyd beats Hatton in December, he would have dominated this current period in boxing. To further the case for Floyd being considered on high grounds, near the greatest of all, this current period in the lower weights in which Floyd fights is at the highest standard it has ever been. Never have fighters in the lower division posessed power, speed and stamina like they do in this current period.

Its ironic that when the boxing community see greatness they can try to tarnish a fighters image and reputation. Floyd's arrogance may offend and annoy a few supporters, but we have to judge him on what he does in the ring and that is something very very unique.

Expect Floyd to make a mess of Ricky Hatton. Hatton will be stopped in the middle to late rounds. Simply, Ricky has never fought someone with Floyd's defence and he will be unable to tire Floyd by the constant holding. But when Floyd beats Hatton, will we continue to say "Hatton was not that good" and will we continue to line up Floyd's next fight for him and disrespect him by saying his next opponent will win by knock out. Its time we recognize the greatness of Floyd, and accept his cemented legacy as one of boxings greats. If he continues to fight big names like Hatton and win another four bouts against these big names, Floyd may very well overtake Ali as the greatest fighter of all time.

www.supermiddleweightboxing.blogspot.com

I saw the Mayweather-Sanders fight replay and the announcers were speculating whether Mayweather had even won the fight. I'm guessing the Floyd that night wouldn't have beaten a ranked guy, let alone a reigning champion...

[neils7147933]

Ultimataboxa, just because you have your own site does not mean that you have the last voice on boxing. Frankly, after your last couple of posts here, I don't really care what you think because you're so obviously wrong about a great number of things.

First, Ali is not the greatest boxer who ever lived. No way. He was an all time great, but not the greatest. The thought of Ali trying on James J. "The Boilermaker" Jeffries in his prime in a 25+ round fight with the 3 ounce gloves (circa 1899) gives me shudders. The original "grizzlybear" would have beaten the stylist to an unrecognizable pulp. But, I cannot stop here, it gets worse. Joe Louis owns the longest championship reign in history. Marciano retired as undisputed undefeated champion of the world. Ali simply cannot make those history making claims. Of course I've just been talking about the heavyweights. Once we move down the ladder and start talking about the likes of Harry Greb and Sugar Ray Robinson, and many others...well... a short amount of research there should prove a severe shock to you.

Second, as to Mayweather...ho..ho..ho. Mayweather is to the history of boxing, what Jimmy Carter is to the history of the United States. Ok, he was president, but no George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. Nobody but the most ardent Mayweatherphiles will miss Floyd when he retires. True greats always have the mass following of their contemporaries. Floyd's peck and run style is simply boring, I don't care if he is 500-0! Will he beat Hatten? Probably. Will I pay to see the fight? Never. I'll wait for the re-run. Do you think I'm the only person in the world that feels this way? Don't count on it. And, this is why Mayweather will never be a true great. I simply don't care how many 12 round pillowfights he wins.

So, for you to make the singular claim that Ali is the greatest is a discredit to your knowledge, or lack thereof, of boxing history.

Wiley > Ultimateboxa

[Wiley Hyena]

A typo. Thanks for the heads up, though.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Originally Posted by Wiley Hyena : First, Ali is not the greatest boxer who ever lived. No way. He was an all time great, but not the greatest. The thought of Ali trying on James J. "The Boilermaker" Jeffries in his prime in a 25+ round fight with the 3 ounce gloves (circa 1899) gives me shudders. The original "grizzlybear" would have beaten the stylist to an unrecognizable pulp. But, I cannot stop here, it gets worse. Joe Louis owns the longest championship reign in history. Marciano retired as undisputed undefeated champion of the world. Ali simply cannot make those history making claims

I have to say..I am amazed that anyone would even consider that Jeffrries would have ANY chance whatsoever with Muhammad Ali. Thinkinghe woul dhave beaten ALi to a pulp is really a stretch. What would Ali-Clay do? Just stand there and allow this? And wonthe have 3 ouncers on, too? And as for the GREAT Louis... with all due respect, but Ali could have reigned even longer if he only defended once or twice a year (and didn't have to deal with the Army issue). And JEEZ MAN, Marciano's list of opposition is ridiculously WEAK compared to Ali's (although I do think Rocky gets a bad rap He was much better than he gets credit for

[Allucard]

I agree. But keep in mind Floyd is already 30 and cannot be fighting Ricky, than Cotto/Mosley winner, than Williams, than what? An unborn fighter who will probably be a contender once Floyd takes 2 more fights. He will be an all time great right next to Ali, Louis, Fraizer, Robbinson (Sugar Ray) if he beats Ricky. Fighters just don't fight 3 times a year like Ali used to so it's hard to compare.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Actually Ali fought more than three times in one year (SIX times in 1972, five times in 1966 and fou rin 1973) on several occassions.

[Wiley Hyena]

I'm not the only person that's observed James J. Jeffries' dominance in the ring. Let me enlighten you:
1. In his prime he was never beaten or even knocked down.
2. He retired as undisputed undefeated heavyweight champion.
3. His only loss occurred when he came out of retirement after 6 years to fight a prime Jack Johnson. After this fight he retired for the last time.
4. At 6' 3" and 230 lbs, he ran the 100 yd dash in 10 seconds. That is less than one second off the then existing world record.
5. He had knockout power in both hands and was considered to have the quickest feet ever seen in a heavyweight up to that time.
6. Boxing historians have noted that his ruggedness and stamina was the most impressive that has been ever seen in a fighter. He would regularly fight over 25 rounds in a fight and usually won by stalking his opponent and gradually pounding him down into submission or knockout. In his time, they used the 3 ounce gloves which produced terrible punishment that he could withstand without "flinching."
7. During his reign, he beat all the greats of his era. One time he challenged hall of famers Sharkey, Corbett, and Fitzsimmons to all fight him in the same night. They refused.
8. Another contemporary and hall of famer, Sam Langford, sent out a famous press release. It said, "Sam Langford offers to fight any man in the world, except James J. Jeffries."
9. Much later, Jack Johnson said of Jeffries, "He was the greatest fighter that ever lived."
10. His 55 second knockout in the first round of one fight, stands as the quickest knockout in heavyweight championship history. (note..it is unclear if this record was broken in the 1990s.)
11. Physically, contemporaries likened the man to a grizzly bear, but Jeffries had bigger thighs. He was noted by historians as being very powerful and they cite a famous incident wherein he shot a mature buck deer and carried it over his shoulders for the 5 mile trek home.
12. Pundits and boxing insiders consistently ranked Jeffries as the number one all time heavyweight, or at the very top, up through the early 1960s (that's through the Joe Louis era).

Had enough? lol

I understand your defense of Ali. Ali...a childhood hero of mine. But, with all due respect to Ali's greatness, I think its very safe to say that you cannot talk about who was "the greatest" without figuring Jeffries in. To do so is to ignore history. Jeffries was the real "real deal."

Therefore, I think you can see that any talk of Mayweather as being "the greatest" is just a bunch of overhyped, ticket selling, crap. He doesn't even belong in the conversation.