Whitaker revisionism

[-Hyperion-]

Fortunate to run into a beatable 147 division? Welterweight is the best division in all of boxing and we have a guy who started at 130 dominating it right now. The Floyd hate is unreal...

i meant judah and baldomir......

hell even cotto and old shane are pretty much beatable because cotto gets it too much and shane is old...floyd wont try to fight anybody else....

[SkillspayBills]

He actually turned southpaw and ripped Sharmba with a straight left. To be honest, that is the most impressed I have been by Mayweather at any point in his career.

I saw that fight on youtube the other day Merchant was saying how he throws that straight left better than most other southpaws can.

[SkillspayBills]

i meant judah and baldomir......

hell even cotto and old shane are pretty much beatable because cotto gets it too much and shane is old...floyd wont try to fight anybody else....

Everyone is beatable, they are all human and they can all be beat. That being said, you are kinda making it sound like he will try to duck everyone else, even though the 2 you mentioned are the top 2 welterwieghts in the division other than Floyd, which def. isn't a bad thing. We are going off on a tangent here back to the SW conversation.

[-Hyperion-]

Everyone is beatable, they are all human and they can all be beat. That being said, you are kinda making it sound like he will try to duck everyone else, even though the 2 you mentioned are the top 2 welterwieghts in the division other than Floyd, which def. isn't a bad thing. We are going off on a tangent here back to the SW conversation.

ok since i apparently need to clarify, i meant because of money...

i think very lowly of williams but his style would definatly be a problem for the increasingly inactive Floyd Mayweather Jr....

AND i also meant even welterweight's other 2 big names shouldnt beat Floyd, because one is a style made guy for him and pretty hittable and the other an old man, who sooner or later could give a bad night.....

[Trevbutler]

I have not read the whole thread but I'll say my part. I thought Pernell won vs DLH, I was fairly dissapointed at the time. I also thought DLH lost to Quartey by enough that it should have been a UD. I havent watched either fight since they aired live so I can only remember who I had winning.

[Lazy Liberal]

Ugh, Shane Mosley who has only one top notch victory in his career. Yes, he beat Oscar (115-113) but who else did he beat at welter. He didn't fight Tito,Quartey or Pernell. If by beating Oscar, that ranks him ahead of Oscar who fought everyone of relavance at WW, then that speaks volumes of Oscar as a fighter and his accomplishments. Tito never beat Oscar. Good Night.

Anyone who thinks that Mosley should be rater higher than ODLH at Ww, is free to call be a ****in idiot for not believing he is.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Anyone who thinks that Mosley should be rater higher than ODLH at Ww, is free to call be a ****in idiot for not believing he is.

David. Be mature. Please. People disagree on boxing opinions.

A panel of boxing writers chose Tito above Oscar. I'm not saying that it is right, wrong or otherwise. I was just posting what the resluts of the rankings were, and explaining to you what I thought the rationale may be why they had Tito that much higher than Oscar.

Oscar has lost against most of his best competition. Shane has lost against most of HIS best competition. Truth be told, Oscar didn't accomplish that much at WW. His best win was Quartey.

[wmute]

I got nothing against this Hall of Fame fighter, I just want to discuss a few claims that have become commonplace in here.

1. Here are the scores for his fight with De La Hoya:

referee: Mills Lane | judge: Chuck Giampa 111-115 | judge: Jerry Roth 110-116 | judge: Dalby Shirley 110-116 ~
~ WBC welterweight title ~

Now a lot of people disagree with these scores, and you're free to do so. But to claim either that Whitaker was robbed or that this was a questionable decision is plain revisionism. I described this in another thread as a "wide decision" for Oscar. It was that.

At the time Whitaker was, what, 33? Oscar was what? 24? No advantage to Oscar there. Sorry.

2. It doesn't go without saying either that his draw with JCC was some kind of disgraceful robbery. He didn't show "ring generalship," he showed evasive boxing at its worst, but only he coupled that with effective punching. If he didn't move backwards at full speed the whole time it would be a different story. Also, he took some punishment there. All in all it's not easy to judge that.

3. It's only since Mayweather has dissed the other great fighters of the 90's that Whitaker has become spoken of as if he were Ray Robinson. He wasn't. He's roughly in the same rank as De La Hoya and Trinidad, maybe a notch below them

1. No "robbery", but no "wide decision" either.

33-24 is a major age advantage, considering

a) how Pea looked against Hurtado
b) He never won a single title fight afterwards
c) Pea's style does not age well, being based on his reflexes (see Roy Jones, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson.

2. Bull****.
Frustrating one of the greatest pressure fighters outlanding him big time was one of the greatest boxing clinics ever seen. That draw was highway robbery, one of the worst decisions EVER. The only other person who said what you said was Ferocity and i think he built the first temple entitled to JCC or something like that.

3. Pea was a lightweight, that's the major difference. Oscar and Tito were welters (dont say Oscar is a lightweight, please, or I will walk you through the differences between Oscar and a lightweight). He met both while past his best. He is above them, for the same reason Duran is above Leonard.

4. What happened to you? you usually make sense. By the way I read in another post of yours where you rank RJJ, and I assume you dont hold his past his prime career against him. Just do the same with Pea!

[Lazy Liberal]

David. Be mature. Please. People disagree on boxing opinions.

A panel of boxing writers chose Tito above Oscar. I'm not saying that it is right, wrong or otherwise. I was just posting what the resluts of the rankings were, and explaining to you what I thought the rationale may be why they had Tito that much higher than Oscar.

Oscar has lost against most of his best competition. Shane has lost against most of HIS best competition. Truth be told, Oscar didn't accomplish that much at WW. His best win was Quartey.

Shane Mosley accomplished what besides Oscar, what other fighter did he beat to deserve in your opinion to be rated higher than Oscar and at par with Tito. He did not beat any other top guys, no Trinidad,no Quartey and no Whitaker. He beat Rivera who Oscar had beatin ,A.Diaz and lost twice to Forrest. Oscar beat Whitaker ,Quartey and Trinidad. That is as good as it gets for someone that didn't accomplish much at WW. I'm mature, i was just being overly sarcastic.....My bad.

[EMPOROAR]

3. It's only since Mayweather has dissed the other great fighters of the 90's that Whitaker has become spoken of as if he were Ray Robinson. He wasn't. He's roughly in the same rank as De La Hoya and Trinidad, maybe a notch below them

Yeah...um. Very ignorant statement there. Take a look at his resume and how he beat them and then tell me he wasn't a great fighter. A couple notches AHEAD of Trinidad and DelaHoya