Al Bundys thoughts on MMA and Boxing Good Points!!!

[velvet fog]

I think the reason why no one else has put things that way is because people, boxers, are always put into the position where they have to defend one or pick sides in an argument. Ed is a well educated, non-bias observer. He has no agenda,which is refreshing.

[FightNight 2007]

De La Hoya did speak on MMA. He said that he respects all fighters. All fighters train hard and do what they need to do. Something alot of idiots on this site fail to comprehend.

Anyways, Al Bundy doesn't seen to be a huge observer of MMA.

"I haven't seen anybody that can do everything."

What the **** has he been watching? What does he think "doing everything" is?

Fedor = sambo, muay thai, wrestling, boxing, BJJ, judo all in his arsenal....IS THAT NOT EVERYTHING?

"I havent seen anyone that can punch like a pro boxer"

Jens Pulver is a former pro boxer and definately punches like one omg...

What has Al Bundy watched? The idiocy towards MMA is inane.

"Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie with BJJ. He didn't hit him."

DID HE WATCH THE FIGHT? LOL, I just watched it again and Hughes def. hit Royce with hard punches to the head. Bundy is an idiot just like he is on the show.

[FightNight 2007]

Alright this guy is a complete ****ing idiot. Let me disect his "points" right here:

First off, he seemingly did not like the Liddell-Jackson 2 fight not hitting the ground. There is a specific reason why Liddell did not want Jackson to get control of him. Jackson is a dominant fighter and Liddell can defend that very well, but why let your opponent use what gets him to win?

Bundy overexaggerated the Liddell punch. It was a hook to the body, not a pitty patty uppercut that Bundy suggested it was. Maybe his age is getting into his brain, because he needs glasses.

He needs to stop acting like every pro boxer is perfect because there are ALOT of sloppy punchers. Hell, watch a HW boxing match and you'll see nothin but fat 230lb guys throwin sloppy punches and gasping for air.

He praises Julio Cesar Chavez and says he went 87-0 fighting top opponents. People on this site even said that JCC fought cans all the way up to an 87-0 record. Hell, look at his resume and you'll see he fought guys that were 6-15 and 0-6 all the way up to that undefeated record. Who in MMA has fought guys UNDER .500???? Never. So shut the **** up and educate yourself BEFORE speaking.


"Now if you put Mike Tyson in there, he'd lose in the first round, because no one would box with him."

There were pro boxers that didn't wanna box with him, what the **** is your point you idiot?

"Use what works and drop what doesn't." - Bruce Lee

If you can't box with your opponent that night then use your other martial arts. Is there a problem with this?

[ßringer]

De La Hoya did speak on MMA. He said that he respects all fighters. All fighters train hard and do what they need to do. Something alot of idiots on this site fail to comprehend.

Anyways, Al Bundy doesn't seen to be a huge observer of MMA.

"I haven't seen anybody that can do everything."

What the **** has he been watching? What does he think "doing everything" is?

Fedor = sambo, muay thai, wrestling, boxing, BJJ, judo all in his arsenal....IS THAT NOT EVERYTHING?

"I havent seen anyone that can punch like a pro boxer"

Jens Pulver is a former pro boxer and definately punches like one omg...

What has Al Bundy watched? The idiocy towards MMA is inane.

"Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie with BJJ. He didn't hit him."

DID HE WATCH THE FIGHT? LOL, I just watched it again and Hughes def. hit Royce with hard punches to the head. Bundy is an idiot just like he is on the show.

I figured Oscar would say something like that, he tries too hard to pleae everybody. God forbid The Golden Boy grow a set of balls and speak out against MMA rather than support it.

I think what Ed meant is that he hasn't seen anybody that can do everything well. There's a big difference there, when there is a guy who can do everything more often than not he combines styles and looks like an amateur.

As for Jens Pulver, he may have been a former boxer, and I've seen him fight a lot but he still doesn't punch like a professional fighter. Nobody in MMA can punch like a boxer can punch, show me someone in MMA who has the punching power of any of the following fighters....

Israel Vazquez
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Rafael Marquez
Wladimir Klitschko

Hell, those are seasoned professionals. Find me an amateur MMA guy who hits as hard as Andre Berto instead.

[FightNight 2007]

I think what Ed meant is that he hasn't seen anybody that can do everything well. There's a big difference there, when there is a guy who can do everything more often than not he combines styles and looks like an amateur.

Son, Fedor has a black belt in all the arts I listed.....

I figured Oscar would say something like that, he tries too hard to pleae everybody. God forbid The Golden Boy grow a set of balls and speak out against MMA rather than support it.

I think what Ed meant is that he hasn't seen anybody that can do everything well. There's a big difference there, when there is a guy who can do everything more often than not he combines styles and looks like an amateur.

As for Jens Pulver, he may have been a former boxer, and I've seen him fight a lot but he still doesn't punch like a professional fighter. Nobody in MMA can punch like a boxer can punch, show me someone in MMA who has the punching power of any of the following fighters....

Israel Vazquez
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Daniel Ponce De Leon
Rafael Marquez
Wladimir Klitschko

Hell, those are seasoned professionals. Find me an amateur MMA guy who hits as hard as Andre Berto instead.

Better yet, find me a pro boxer that can slam like the following:

Matt Hughes
Karo Parisyan
Rampage Jackson
Matt Lindland
Kevin Randleman
Sean Sherk
Dan Severn
Ken Shamrock
Tito Ortiz
Randy Couture

Show me a pro boxer that can make you tap within a split second like the following:

Fedor Emelianenko
Royce Gracie
Renzo Gracie
All the other Gracies
Ken Shamrock
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Karo Parisyan
Gonzaga



See my point?

He kind of annoys me with his double standard. He knocks MMA fighters because he says that none of them could strike with a pro boxer. Yet he also criticizes them for their "huge" 4 oz. gloves, and restrictive rules. If that is a problem for him, then how does he hold boxing in such high regard?


The bottom line is that boxers are great strikers because they only have to train and do one very specific thing. And that is punch each other in the face from a set range. If they get too close they can just clinch and the the referee will break them up. They can't kick, they can't elbow, and they can't take each other down. These are all of the things MMA fighters have to be prepared for. Is it any surprise that they aren't as good at striking?


If I were a chef and all I did was cook hamburgers all day, I guarantee I will make a better hamburger than the best french chef from the finest restaurant. Because he is good at everything under the sun, and I just make hamburgers for 8 hours a day every day.

Beautiful ^^.


-edit- and you ducked the post above you.

[ßringer]

Better yet, find me a pro boxer that can slam like the following:

Matt Hughes
Karo Parisyan
Rampage Jackson
Matt Lindland
Kevin Randleman
Sean Sherk
Dan Severn
Ken Shamrock
Tito Ortiz
Randy Couture

Show me a pro boxer that can make you tap within a split second like the following:

Fedor Emelianenko
Royce Gracie
Renzo Gracie
All the other Gracies
Ken Shamrock
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Karo Parisyan
Gonzaga



See my point?




Beautiful ^^.


-edit- and you ducked the post above you.

Boxers aren't allowed to slam an opponet or make them submit, MMA fighters are allowed to punch though. Marco Antonio Barrera slammed Nasim Hamed's face into the ring post though, if that counts as a slam, lmao.

I'm not knocking MMA, I used to be a big fan of it before it was all over television. I went out on a regular basis and bought VHS tapes of it back in the mid 90's until around 2001. I just think it's getting sloppier as it goes along. The only real MMA stuff I watch anymore is EliteXC on Showtime because the fighters there put on much better fights than the UFC does.

And the post you quote from another site obviously makes some very good points with having to train for all kinds of possible situations. I just prefer boxing to MMA because it's a much more refined combat sport than MMA.

And I didn't "duck" the other post, I just didn't feel the need to reply to what I thought was just more of the same.

[velvet fog]

Fightnight,I dont think you think you were listening to what big AL said. He does not like UFC or Pride because the rules have made a bastard product. The hybrid styles that are used are most effective within the UFC rules.

I respect MMA, but i agree that UFC has become a glorified toughman contest

[FightNight 2007]

I dont think you think you were listening to what he said. He does not like UFC or Pride because the rules have made a bastard product. The hybrid styles that are used are most effective within the UFC rules.

I respect MMA, but i agree that UFC has become a glorified toughman contest

Of course it's used more effectively with UFC rules. They are used to that. When you are used to fighting with specific rules, you continue to fight that way. What's the problem?

[FightNight 2007]

Bundy is just having a hard time realizing that the UFC and MMA in general is more organized unlike UFC 1-8. Those NHB fights favored Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. That is why the BJJ guys beat the pro boxers, pro wrestlers, etc because there were no rules.

Hughes vs. Gracie at UFC 60 last year is fine example of the fact that in modern day MMA, you need versatility.

Sherk vs. Franca is another example...

[renren40]

Fightnight,I dont think you think you were listening to what big AL said. He does not like UFC or Pride because the rules have made a bastard product. The hybrid styles that are used are most effective within the UFC rules.

I respect MMA, but i agree that UFC has become a glorified toughman contest

you're kinda right...Dana White offers incentives for fight of the night or best knockout...do the wins even matter to this guy?

and how bout John McCarthy being too involved in the fights...too verbal at times and not letting the ground fighters fight...