Legacies: James Toney Vs. Bernard Hopkins

[GunStar]

you are just a b hop hater. he got dominated for 12 round against jones !!! hopkins made a fight of it . and he beat th then 2* ranked pound for pound fighter in tito who Ko'd william joppy before that. hopkins made these contenders look like chumps. hopkins beat tarver who was 1 at LHW he also beat glen johnson he stopped him.!!

Toney's resume at 160 > Hopkins resume at 160

Forrest beat Mosley twice and Mayorga beat Forrest twice, oh lets see I guess Mayorga is better then both Mosley and Forrest combined.

BTW Jones didn't face the best Toney or the best Hopkins.

[demirturk]

Toney's resume at 160 > Hopkins resume at 160

Forrest beat Mosley twice and Mayorga beat Forrest twice, oh lets see I guess Mayorga is better then both Mosley and Forrest combined.

BTW Jones didn't face the best Toney or the best Hopkins.

you got me there. but still HOPKINS > TONEY

[Hydro]

Snaggle Tooth.

Stomachs Out Toney has very good skills and all and is ridiculously tough, but he wasted too many years eating and underachieving.

[TheEvilSaint]

James Toney had 9 title defenses at 160, Toney's big wins at middleweight is better then Hopkins 20 title defenses wins at the middleweight division.

Toney is a 4 divison champ with 80 career fights, Toney's legacy is def better in my opinion.

hes a 3 division champion, with 6 defenses at 160 in a title reign where the best guys he beat were nunn, mccallum, and barkley compared to hopkins' de la hoya, trinidad, and glen johnson.

get ur facts straight, junior.

[sonofisis]

Hopkins!............. My only request is that Hopkins retire so that he won't tarnish his record/legacy the way Toney did..

[THe TRiNiTY]

Honestly, Hopkins, no querstion to me. Fought a lot of fighters, in more meaningful fights, was a WORLD champion, not just a soup titlist. He had more longevity, and had better wins and consistency. Overall, HOPKINS, without question.

[yrrej]

Obvioulsy Hopkins. How many successful defenses in a row? Toney is now just a fat guy on steroids who can't win the big one.....

[crold1]

How was Toney better at 160? Yes, the Nunn and McCallum fights were impressive, but there's no Tiberi on Hopkins resume. Hopkins will inevitably have the better legacy because he was a professional all the time and not just most of it.

[realheavyhands]

The fact that Toney was able to stay competitive with a guy like Peter speaks wonders imo. That doesnt even count in the fact that he should have won the first fight.

Anyways this is probably one of the reasons why Im not a fan of Hopkins. When I see Hopkins, I see a guy who does everything he can do to win. He works his ass off in camp, and he always stays in peak condition. He also has made some very smart business decisions in his career. He stayed at Middleweight when the division was average, and he piled up 20 defenses. He fought big names like Tito and Oscar who were blown up Welterweights. Granted he took a chance fighting Taylor, but he lost.

Then he decided to move up to 175 when the division was in shambles. Tarver had just finished doing the Rocky movie, and he had already looked bad in the third Jones fight. After that fight he finally fights Wright except its at 170, a weight Hopkins should have been all along, and a weight Wright has no business being in.

Then theres Toney. He is notorious for poor training habits, and he has all the talent in the world. He was forced to take chances because of those problems, and he rarely gave himself the best chance to win. This is the main reason why Hopkins will be remembered as a legend and Toney will probably be forgotten. Being a Toney fan this bothers me, but he has nobody to blame but himself.

So in the end Hopkins will have a better legacy, but its Toney who I think was more talented, and beat the better fighters.

freddie roach trained everybody

oscar
hopkins
wlad
tyson
pac

and says toney is the best fighter hes ever saw

[crold1]

Evil Saint: If you're going to tell people to keep facts staright, might want to recall that Barkley was at 168 for Barkley's belt there (IBF, won by KO2 against Darrin Van Horn). Otherwise, good post.