Legacies: James Toney Vs. Bernard Hopkins

**Spontaneous** · 07-22-2007, 03:41 PM

James Toney is a ****y mother****er.

**jack_the_rippuh** · 07-22-2007, 03:41 PM

James Toney's legacy will forever be tarnished by his steroid abuse.

**Orange Sneakers** · 07-22-2007, 03:43 PM

In my mind, Lights Out. That's who I voted

But probably B-Hop

**K-Nan** · 07-22-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Spontaneous

James Toney is a ****y mother****er.

And that destroys his legacy forever?

**LOLORSKATES** · 07-22-2007, 03:51 PM

didn't b-hop have like 20 title defenses in a row or so?

**Technical_Skill** · 07-22-2007, 03:52 PM

For me its toney, didnt pad his record with ****ty names and blown up guys coming up weight, Hopkins has the names on his record, but a few of them had to come up weight to fight him, toney went up to fight them, plus he went up to heavyweight and was a serious contender after starting at 160.

Skills wise, no discussion, toney all the way.

For me its Toney, but boxing fans these days are very fickle, im already reading posts from people who actually believe Wladmir Klitschko would give Cassius Clay a run for his money ( i dont know how anyone reaches that conclusion), so in that respect, Hopkins will most likely get the nod.

**Briandl** · 07-22-2007, 03:54 PM

I can tell you one thing for certain, no way Jones Jr or Hopkins could take the punches Toney took from Sam Peter, Peter would probably have knocked them both out.

Toney is probably the most savy boxer of them all, and fights just as well when he's hurt and or tired, but he's pissed away his career over the last couple of years, and Hopkins has looked pretty good still.

**K-Nan** · 07-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by jack_the_rippuh

James Toney's legacy will forever be tarnished by his steroid abuse.

That was the James Toney that I no longer paid attention to, though. At the tail-end of his career, and at HW, for god's sake.

Even if you blocked out the amazing accomplishments in the latter pat of his career, and looked at his legacy from 160 to 190, Toney has some serious work.

**-Antonio-** · 07-22-2007, 04:27 PM

The fact that Toney was able to stay competitive with a guy like Peter speaks wonders imo. That doesnt even count in the fact that he should have won the first fight.

Anyways this is probably one of the reasons why Im not a fan of Hopkins. When I see Hopkins, I see a guy who does everything he can do to win. He works his ass off in camp, and he always stays in peak condition. He also has made some very smart business decisions in his career. He stayed at Middleweight when the division was average, and he piled up 20 defenses. He fought big names like Tito and Oscar who were blown up Welterweights. Granted he took a chance fighting Taylor, but he lost.

Then he decided to move up to 175 when the division was in shambles. Tarver had just finished doing the Rocky movie, and he had already looked bad in the third Jones fight. After that fight he finally fights Wright except its at 170, a weight Hopkins should have been all along, and a weight Wright has no business being in.

Then theres Toney. He is notorious for poor training habits, and he has all the talent in the world. He was forced to take chances because of those problems, and he rarely gave himself the best chance to win. This is the main reason why Hopkins will be remembered as a legend and Toney will probably be forgotten. Being a Toney fan this bothers me, but he has nobody to blame but himself.

So in the end Hopkins will have a better legacy, but its Toney who I think was more talented, and beat the better fighters.

Legacies: James Toney Vs. Bernard Hopkins