Could This Be The End Of Floyd?

[Cletus Funk]

There's nothing libellous in those quotes.

The 2 cases are unrelated legally. Breach of contract is a far easier legal avenue to pursue and all of the reports have referred to it as a libel case, not breach of contract. Warren would have taken it to court 2 years ago if it was breach and he had a case he could win.

As I said, I've seen reports stating that the case was about comments Ray made fairly recently. Not sure what he said though.

Uh huh, but from i heard, the contract was water tight, hatton claimed warren then breached his own contract with hatton by making him fight when he was injured


Ray Hatton said.

We took one fight against Carlos Vilches (in June 2004) as a favour to Frank," said Hatton snr.

"Frank nagged me to take the fight even though he knew we would have to kill Ricky to get down to the weight in time.

"Ricky's trainer Billy Graham was so upset he refused to go down to the press conference in London and I had to sit there and watch him struggle."


Thus Warren Libeled the hatton for making unfounded statements, which they used to breach their contract, a contract apparently they had no right to break.

Well thats how i saw it anways.

[Technical_Skill]

There's nothing libellous in those quotes.

The 2 cases are unrelated legally. Breach of contract is a far easier legal avenue to pursue and all of the reports have referred to it as a libel case, not breach of contract. Warren would have taken it to court 2 years ago if it was breach and he had a case he could win.

As I said, I've seen reports stating that the case was about comments Ray made fairly recently. Not sure what he said though.

Im pretty sure those were the comments,

here is the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/boxing/4343896.stm

And they seem pretty serious btw, he is insinuating that Warren Knowingly put Ricky Hatton's health at risk.

Let me know what you think, im not trying to cause a ruckus, miksterious will argue over anything, we are just dicussing hatton and warren and how it affects his next fights, better than talking about 'the end of mayweather' lol

[Cletus Funk]

I think you're right, it was comments made in 2005 according to a couple of sites that I've found.

Warren never pursued the breach of contract case from 2005 though, so Hatton must have had grounds to break his contract.

Im pretty sure those were the comments,

here is the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/boxing/4343896.stm

And they seem pretty serious btw, he is insinuating that Warren Knowingly put Ricky Hatton's health at risk.

Let me know what you think, im not trying to cause a ruckus, miksterious will argue over anything, we are just dicussing hatton and warren and how it affects his next fights, better than talking about 'the end of mayweather' lol

[Technical_Skill]

I think you're right, it was comments made in 2005 according to a couple of sites that I've found.

Warren never pursued the breach of contract case from 2005 though, so Hatton must have had grounds to break his contract.

Maybe although i think hatton's counter claim above murkied the waters which made that case difficult to persue.

However if it was proven in court that Ray Hatton was lying and that Warren didnt risk hatton's health, therefore they have no grounds on which to break to contract with Warren right?

Thus meaning they may of had to renew their previous agreement with warren.

Isnt that what is happening now?

[Cletus Funk]

There's not a lot of subjectivity in a breach case as the terms are clearly defined and written down in a signed document. If there was some ambiguity in the terms then it goes against the legal definition of how a contract should be, which wouldn't help Warren's case regardless of comments made by Ray.

My take is that Warren didn't have a case on breach but this landed in his lap and was the next best thing. If Ray hadn't said anything then Ricky would be free and clear of Warren now. You would have seen a 2-pronged case by Warren otherwise, to hedge his bets.

Maybe although i think hatton's counter claim above murkied the waters which made that case difficult to persue.

However if it was proven in court that Ray Hatton was lying and that Warren didnt risk hatton's health, therefore they have no grounds on which to break to contract with Warren right?

Thus meaning they may of had to renew their previous agreement with warren.

Isnt that what is happening now?

[Technical_Skill]

There's not a lot of subjectivity in a breach case as the terms are clearly defined and written down in a signed document. If there was some ambiguity in the terms then it goes against the legal definition of how a contract should be, which wouldn't help Warren's case regardless of comments made by Ray.

My take is that Warren didn't have a case on breach but this landed in his lap and was the next best thing. If Ray hadn't said anything then Ricky would be free and clear of Warren now. You would have seen a 2-pronged case by Warren otherwise, to hedge his bets.

Okay, but then if this was the case, why would hatton even consider joining warren again? My impression is that he is only considering it because he has little choice.

I think Hatton may have breached his contract, yet those claims he made may be for some kind of extenuating circumstances, thus rendering the contract invaild, in this case on grounds of a health risk.

I think Since ray hatton made the claim, the burden of proof would lie with him to prove what he said was true, and if he couldnt do that, he had no grounds on which to breach the contract, which means hatton is still with warren in effect and the two have to work again if warren chooses so.

[Allucard]

This is why boxing sucks. The best fighters are not meeting because Oscar golden ass needs even more money. There is no they in boxing and this is when they should step in and say "let the best fighters fight, money comes second". I see UFC getting bigger ppvs than boxing in no time.

[Cletus Funk]

I think they've agreed to it as it's not really costing them anything financially to have Warren promote his fights and it saves them paying him libel damages.

If those comments were sufficient grounds to break his contract then they couldn't be considered libellous as they must have been considered true by the court. That take on it is contradictory.

Okay, but then if this was the case, why would hatton even consider joining warren again? My impression is that he is only considering it because he has little choice.

I think Hatton may have breached his contract, yet those claims he made may be for some kind of extenuating circumstances, thus rendering the contract invaild, in this case on grounds of a health risk.

I think Since ray hatton made the claim, the burden of proof would lie with him to prove what he said was true, and if he couldnt do that, he had no grounds on which to breach the contract, which means hatton is still with warren in effect and the two have to work again if warren chooses so.

[Technical_Skill]

If those comments were sufficient grounds to break his contract then they couldn't be considered libellous as they'd have to be considered true by the court. That take on it is contradictory.

Exactly, meaning that if ray hatton couldnt prove what he was was saying was true, the comments would be deemed libellous and he would have no ground of which to break the orginal deal? Thus why it seems they have to work together again?

(Im saying i think Hatton thought he had a case for extenuating circumstances but it turned out he was wrong.)

[Cletus Funk]

If you think about it, they'd have to be 2 seperate cases. Warren can't sue Ray for breach and he can't sue Ricky for libel.

Ray was the one quoted as the defendant in all of the reports on the settlement so it can't have been related to breach as Warren's contract was with Ricky.

Exactly, meaning that if ray hatton couldnt prove what he was was saying was true, the comments would be deemed libellous and he would have no ground of which to break the orginal deal? Thus why it seems they have to work together again?

(Im saying i think Hatton thought he had a case for extenuating circumstances but it turned out he was wrong.)