**** Arum "no williams vs. cotto"

[PRboxingfan]

With the right hype from HBO and Arum...people would want to see Williams vs Cotto....Yes, you're right Mosley vs Cotto could draw more PPV buys...but like every other sport...the Winner should have some incentives...at least he should get the winner of Mosley or Cotto...Williams should get some credit and hype from fans and boxing authority after wiping out Magarito which could improve his PPV chances...but instead he is already getting bashed and hated on (not sayin by you)

what more does Williams have to do?

Paul Williams has two problems:

1. he's black
2. he's not from a big-market town

On the point of him being black, I'm not saying it as a racist but merely as a statement that black people don't tend to follow their fighters like other ethnicities out there (Pinoys, Mexicans, Brits, Puerto Ricans). Most PPV buys come from the base the fighter has, unless he's an exceptional name like Mosley, PBF, and ODLH. Other great fighters out there do not have the drawing power of these fighters because they're born as black-Americans. Case in point: Jermain Taylor. He's beaten BHop twice and tied with Winky but his PPV numbers, and attendance outside of his home-town vecinity, are very low. The same goes with Cory Spinks.

If Williams were Mexican, British, or even a Pinoy, he'd have four times as many followers wanting him to fight the bigger names. He's lucky he got a fight with Margarito to begin with (which I think should've vacated his WBO strap and fought Cotto straight on).

[Xcel]

People need to realize there was NEVER a deal for Williams to fight Cotto if he won. He's not promoted by Arum.

But Arum talks about the best matches available. What is better than a Unification bout?

[Xcel]

look at it like this, Arum is pissed because PWill ****ed up his money, a fight between Margarito and Cotto was win win for him because he promotes both of them so that's nothing but money in the bank, but now he's just going to have Cotto fight Mosley and split the money with his newest best friend Oscar, that way if Cotto looses he can always go back and fight PWill to try and get Cotto a belt back, but if Cotto fights PWill now and looses what is the incentive for Cotto to fight Mosley then? there will be no belt at stake, and the public would rather see a PWill - Mosley match, as Cotto will be on the back of everybody's mind.

Well stated.

[kayjay]

Of course Cotto's not going to fight Williams. First of all he'd slaughter Williams in a boring, ugly fight. Second of all Cotto is a star, Williams is not. There's no reason for anyone to fight Williams until he wins a few more.

[gixxer]

When asked who he wanted to fight next, Williams said: “I’ll fight [Miguel] Cotto, let’s sign the papers.” Which promoted the WBA welterweight champ’s promoter Bob Arum, who also promotes Margarito, to say: “Cotto’s not fighting Williams. Williams did not win this fight in my opinion.”

Immediately after the fight, Arum said a rematch between Margarito and Williams is in order, adding that he was thinking about Shane Mosley as the next opponent for Cotto. However, at the post-fight press conference, Arum said he would not abandon Margarito, and is still considering the former WBO titlist as an opponent for the popular Puerto Rican.

haha....**** gossen and **** paul.....oh yea and **** you hahahahahahaha

[gixxer]

now williams is the most avoided fighter

not by tony .........looks like he will avoid a rematch..........hahahahahah

[supremelygifted]

Nobody had promised "winner gets next," as you say. Margo was getting Cotto if he won (as he's an Bob Arum fighter) but, if he lost, Arum never said Cotto-Williams was next. He always said he'd explore the options. It's not bull****, it's business.

I bet more people want to see Cotto-Mosley than Cotto-Williams.

I for one would like to Cotto-Mosley with Williams deserving the winner. One reason we may not see Cotto-Mosley is that Mosley is with Golden Boy. I know they have resolved their differences but I'll believe it when I see the matchups between the two companies.

[supremelygifted]

Paul Williams has two problems:

1. he's black
2. he's not from a big-market town

On the point of him being black, I'm not saying it as a racist but merely as a statement that black people don't tend to follow their fighters like other ethnicities out there (Pinoys, Mexicans, Brits, Puerto Ricans). Most PPV buys come from the base the fighter has, unless he's an exceptional name like Mosley, PBF, and ODLH. Other great fighters out there do not have the drawing power of these fighters because they're born as black-Americans. Case in point: Jermain Taylor. He's beaten BHop twice and tied with Winky but his PPV numbers, and attendance outside of his home-town vecinity, are very low. The same goes with Cory Spinks.

If Williams were Mexican, British, or even a Pinoy, he'd have four times as many followers wanting him to fight the bigger names. He's lucky he got a fight with Margarito to begin with (which I think should've vacated his WBO strap and fought Cotto straight on).

Being black and from a small market really doesn't matter. Unless you have the actual PPV buys breakdown by ethnicity, your assessment isn't correct. In this country We tend to follow the big fights regardless of race. I agree you can break down a fighters fan base by his race (for example: Trinidad,Cotto,Paquaio and Hatton-nationality)but when it comes to PPV in the USA a good fight will always sell regardless of race. Being black isn't what is going to hurt Williams. It's the way he's promoted and marketed and his style. Most of the top guys aren't going to want a long rangy guy that isn't going to stand in front of them. Also, Floyd is from Flint MI and Pavlik is from Youngstown OH. Small markets won't hurt either of them. Pavilk will be a success because of his fighting style alone. Look at Gatti.

[Xcel]

Of course Cotto's not going to fight Williams. First of all he'd slaughter Williams in a boring, ugly fight. Second of all Cotto is a star, Williams is not. There's no reason for anyone to fight Williams until he wins a few more.

Yet there is a star studded resume by Margarito (who is was willing to fight)?

[PRboxingfan]

Being black and from a small market really doesn't matter. Unless you have the actual PPV buys breakdown by ethnicity, your assessment isn't correct. In this country We tend to follow the big fights regardless of race. I agree you can break down a fighters fan base by his race (for example: Trinidad,Cotto,Paquaio and Hatton-nationality)but when it comes to PPV in the USA a good fight will always sell regardless of race. Being black isn't what is going to hurt Williams. It's the way he's promoted and marketed and his style. Most of the top guys aren't going to want a long rangy guy that isn't going to stand in front of them. Also, Floyd is from Flint MI and Pavlik is from Youngstown OH. Small markets won't hurt either of them. Pavilk will be a success because of his fighting style alone. Look at Gatti.

Gatti was only popular after moving to NJ and adopting it as his home. When he fought out of Montreal, nobody cared about him.

As for Floyd, he's only a big name because of those he's fought. He was smart enough to fight guys who had a loyal fan base and pick up their fans as his fans.

How many PPV buys do you think Winky-Hopkins is going to get? I will almost guarantee you that a Cotto-Mosley fight would generate 3-4x as many PPV buys as this fight will generate. My best guess is 120K PPV buys, if they're lucky, and we're talking about two all-time greats who are first-ballot HOFers here. But, they're black and blacks don't follow boxing as they follow other sports (NBA, MLB, and NFL). Hispanics, Brits, and Pinoys follow boxing almost as much as soccer, as long as the fighter a good fighter from their country.

Zab is a very talented fighter from NY, a city of over 8M people, yet he can't generate PPV buys, even with his popular, crowd-pleasing style. Why is that? Because he's black!