Do You Give Fighters Credit for Fights They Lost?

[kayjay]

Okay Diego, tell us again that Mayweather is better than Ray Robinson, due to Robinson's losses against big, powerful middleweights.

[DiegoFuego]

Okay Diego, tell us again that Mayweather is better than Ray Robinson, due to Robinson's losses against big, powerful middleweights.

I don't communicate with hippies. They cry too much.

But surely if Robinson deserves credit for LOSING to middleweights, super featherweight Mayweather deserves credit for beating big welterweights and junior middleweights, does he not?

I don't communicate with hippies. They cry too much.

But surely if Robinson deserves credit for LOSING to middleweights, super featherweight Mayweather deserves credit for beating big welterweights and junior middleweights, does he not?

That's a good point. Mayweather will get credit for his accomplishments when he's retired for a few years...

[bigdlb12]

let remember castillo corrales 1 , much respect

I do, a loss is good at time,

[cupcrazy01]

They said Ricardo Torres would be back after Cotto. Nope.

You made good points, and all of your other examples are spot on, but I do take exception with this one.

Torres got hurt in training after the Cotto fight, blasted out a gimme hometown defense in Colombia in 2 rounds, won a close and controversial bout against Arnaoutis, and this past April breezed by Morua. He's 3-0 since Cotto (controversy or no) and now he has a big fight against Kendall Holt coming up September 1st in Colombia (I can smell the controversy from here).

Has he taken the world by storm since the Cotto fight? Of course not, but something must be said for a guy who gave Cotto his toughest fight and has won three in a row since and holds a 140-lb. title.

[tredh]

All the best fighters have tasted defeats, coming back from a big setback and reclaiming your place at the top of the game takes tremendous courage and heart. Fighters who retire undefeated are a product of excellent management and calculated risk management.

Bull**** so what if they beat all the best of their era? Thats not excellelent management or calculated risk management. Thats nothing beating everyone put in front of you. You shouldn't make generalized statements like that.

[Derranged_]

$in nice thread, it one of the few sensible ones you’ve created. As to your question, IMO it all depends on the nature of the loss. There are many instances of fighters who fought bravely in a valiant effort but came up on the losing end of things. Let me give you an example: Although Joe Frasier lost twice to Ali, his performances in those loses helped solidify his status as a top 20 hw boxer as well as a HOF. In contrast, his blowout loses to George Foreman have prevented Joe as being considered “one of greats” because he lost in such a one-sided manner.

My point is, it all depends on how the figher lost and how the loss affected the fighter afterwards. Look at Mike Tyson; you could argue that after his first loss to Douglas, he wasn’t a better fighter and it lead to his ultimate ‘unraveling.’ Good topic $in, there’s some k on the way…

[scap]

In my mind Joes Luis Castillo holds a victory over PBF, its not enough to just gloss over the records and make judgments based upon wins and losses, there is just much more to it then that.


Hell look at Vitaly Klitchko, going into his fight with LL he was the ****ty other brother who was getting a shot at Lewis because he wasnt Wladimir.

Well we found out that VK had a helluva a chin, a lot more heart then anyone could have imagine and is awkwardsness was actually a real plus. The record tells us that Lennox KO'd VK but for those who watched that fight...well we all know both men were absolutely shot and it was anyones fight.

Sometimes when you lose you really win, sometimes when you win you really lose and sometimes when you tie, you really win or lose.

One last thing...would you be upset if your girlfriend gave your cousin a ****** like 2 years before you started dating her?

Am I wrong for just letting it brush right over my shoulder?

[kayjay]

You have to let that go scap, what she did before has nothing to do with you.

[cupcrazy01]

In my mind Joes Luis Castillo holds a victory over PBF, its not enough to just gloss over the records and make judgments based upon wins and losses, there is just much more to it then that.


Hell look at Vitaly Klitchko, going into his fight with LL he was the ****ty other brother who was getting a shot at Lewis because he wasnt Wladimir.

Well we found out that VK had a helluva a chin, a lot more heart then anyone could have imagine and is awkwardsness was actually a real plus. The record tells us that Lennox KO'd VK but for those who watched that fight...well we all know both men were absolutely shot and it was anyones fight.

Sometimes when you lose you really win, sometimes when you win you really lose and sometimes when you tie, you really win or lose.

One last thing...would you be upset if your girlfriend gave your cousin a ****** like 2 years before you started dating her?

Am I wrong for just letting it brush right over my shoulder?

Yeah, Vitali is the case-and-point for this thread. Scap, you put it beautifully, Vitali was seen (by myself included) as the not-as-good serviceable but nothing special older brother of Wladdy. Things changed after that fight and of course the whole Corrie Sanders-Wlad fiasco.

I am a Lewis fan, and I hate it when people come and say "He was going to lose! He was behind on the cards!" But it was still a tremendous fight, and Vitali showed great heart and I was a believer after this fight in him, even if I still think it was a clean win for Lennox (it was a punch, not the glove!, lol) Lennox won me over in similar fashion after the first Holyfield fight...though he really won that fight...can we all agree on that?