Taylor Has No Chance Against Pavlik

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He abandoned it because it was absolutely worthless against Hopkins, who took the punch away from him with his defense.

He was actually smart to not use the jab against Wright. Not so smart to neglect throwing it against Spinks.

I think his "amazing" jab looked good against guys who were there to be hit by it.

Has Pavlik faced anyone as good as Jermain? Definently not Miranda who can't fight going backwards and hasn't developed some sort of defense. Miranda couldn't even tie up Pavlik. Both fighters can win this fight but I'm going with Jermain.

pavlik fought jermain taylor as an amatuer, he knows what to expect. pavlik is big, strong, and a good boxer - puncher. taylor couldn't even knock out welterweight cory spinks in his last fight. kelly is hungry to beat jermain taylor, i think he will

[Violent Demise]

I see Taylor stopping Pavlik around the 9th, 10th round.

[Easy-E]

people are overrating taylor's boxing "ability". hes not elusive like willie pep, he doesnt box and move like ali, he doesnt have power like louis, and he doesnt have jake lamotta's chin. the only thing really outstanding about taylor is his athleticism. honestly, from the time taylor won the title (in highly controversial and unimpressive fashion) until now, who has really been impressed by jermain taylor?

he beat hopkins = hopkins waited too long to go offensive.
draw with winky = winky didnt apply enough pressure.
win over ouma = a much smaller jr middleweight actually pressured the "champion" into the ropes and gave taylor a real fight when taylor was looking for a knockout opponent.
win over spinks = one of the worst fights i have ever seen, period. 'nuf said.

taylor has gotten this far on athleticism and HBO money, nothing more. even the guys who he was supposed to blow over (spinks and ouma) made him look the fool. he cant punch, he cant box, hes flat-footed, he doesnt move his head, he doesnt throw combinations, he doesnt move around, he doesnt exploit an opponents weakness, he doesnt even go into a fight with a goddamn gameplan (besides trying to knock ouma out).

and this guy is supposed to outbox and decision kelly pavlik? yeah, good one.

dont even try to say "taylor fights the better fighters". in their contender phases, pavlik fought fulgencio zuniga, bronco mckart, and jose luis zertuche. not great fighters, but top 20 MWs who never before were stopped. oh yeah, and pavlik beat this guy called edison miranda, a fighter who people were saying "hes unstoppable" adn "one touch and you're out", a fight he was expected to lose. the best guys taylor fought when he was a contender was an old beat up raul marquez and a never-has-been title-holder william joppy. spoon fed his whole career.

pavlik is the all around better fighter. theres nothing jermain taylor can do to beat pavlik. he cant outbox him and he damn sure cant outpunch him. all it takes is a small breeze to back taylor into the ropes. and punishing his opponents on the ropes is kelly pavlik's bread and butter. even if taylor tried to tie pavlik up, pavlik is bigger, stronger, and unlike taylor, he can fight on the inside.

pavlik by TKO. this fight isnt even close.

This thread is ******.
Saying the guy who twice decisioned Hopkins has no chance against Kelly Pavlik, who will be fighting in his first world championship fight?

This reminds me of your Joe Calzaghe cannot beat Jeff Lacy thread.
You said it wasnt possible.
That people overrated joe's boxing abilitly.
Ive heard this before.

[kericuss]

A: If you don;t think Miranda isn't a good fighter to have on your resume you need to watch more boxing.

B: If you think Taylor is more powerful than Miranda you REALLY need to watch more boxing.

C: If you think Miranda isn't powerfull, than you REALLY REALLY need to watch more boxing.

D: Miranda was a fighter who had beaten the **** out of Author Abraham, a legit middleweight CHAMPION.

E: Pavlik throws 100 punches a round, he's going to get hit eventually, but he's chin will make up for his at times weak defense ( 5 straight bombs from Miranda on the chin) and allow Kelly to outwork him. Taylor has been in with two straight light middleweights,and he's struggled against both.

F: Pavlik won;t just be standing in front of Taylor, you've obviously only seen his fight against Miranda. His defense will be a little tighter, and he will jab Talor back into the ropes, and then let loose.

G: You said Pavlik doesn;t have the skills to beat a " top" fighter. This might be true, he won't outskill the true boxers, but he will outhustle them with his huge workrate, booming power, and Iron chin.

you still hae not told me what makes Miranda a good fighter to you? Reason why i question Miranda's power? if anyone hits someone else on the chin 5 straight times and supposedly has power, no matter how strong their chin is, they are gonna show some signs of affect(if not be KTFO). one of the light MW was a slick southpaw in which it took another slick southpaw to look good against(Zab judah). after winning against 2 P4P guys and one all time great MW...a big, loose power guy probably wont pose a big a threat as many may think. Pavliks KO ratio is impressive and i have seen plenty of his fights, but i dont think he will back JT up as easily as some think. JT is a worker as well. like i said, it will be a good match up

[Winkyftw!]

you still hae not told me what makes Miranda a good fighter to you? Reason why i question Miranda's power? if anyone hits someone else on the chin 5 straight times and supposedly has power, no matter how strong their chin is, they are gonna show some signs of affect(if not be KTFO). one of the light MW was a slick southpaw in which it took another slick southpaw to look good against(Zab judah). after winning against 2 P4P guys and one all time great MW...a big, loose power guy probably wont pose a big a threat as many may think. Pavliks KO ratio is impressive and i have seen plenty of his fights, but i dont think he will back JT up as easily as some think. JT is a worker as well. like i said, it will be a good match up

A: Miranda is a good fighter because he is tough as ****ing nails, has a great offense, and booming power. He was a wrecking ball untill he ran into Pavlik.

B: That slick LMW did his best work against Zab Judah at WELTERWEIGHT. Taylor should have straight through him.

C: Pavlik won't need to back him up, he'll back up on his own. Have you watched his last three fights?

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A: Miranda is a good fighter because he is tough as ****ing nails, has a great offense, and booming power. He was a wrecking ball untill he ran into Pavlik.

B: That slick LMW did his best work against Zab Judah at WELTERWEIGHT. Taylor should have straight through him.

C: Pavlik won't need to back him up, he'll back up on his own. Have you watched his last three fights?

Miranda's so called great offense was his booming power and thats it. ever seen him put a combo together? set up shots? no?, me either...lol...i didnt say anything about Spinks best work, i said its hard to look god against a slick southpaw. and that it took another slick southpaw to look good against him. although i agree with u that JT should have just punched through him. Honestly i think JT should go back to his childhood trainer. he was a lot more aggressive. and if u remember he was knocking people out just as Pavlik is doing. difference between JT and Miranda...besides the level of fighter is that Miranda has absolutely no fight game going backwards and JT can fight either way. i see ur point with JT putting himself on the ropes against Pav would be a bad thing. but if u and i know that, im sure he kows it as well

[potatoes]

Pavlik wins a slugfest with Miranda and all of a sudden he has the "skills" to beat a top fighter. Say what u will about Taylor he has fought and he has won. Here lately people seem to be obsessed with if a fighter doesnt blow out his opponent then he must not be good. U cant knock out everyone. i saw the Pavlik and Miranda fight and if Miranda had knocked Pavlik out(which he could have b/c he has Pavlik hurt several times as well) would u still give Pavlik the same chances of beating taylor? Taylor wont outbox Pavlik? man please! Spinks would make Pavlike look really bad b/c he just walks in. Walking in on Taylor would be a big mistake for Pavlik since he doesnt have a sturdy defense like Wright. Taylor late KO

Pavlik held up under Miranda's firepower, and I suspect he will do the same against Taylor. Since the light punching Ouma and Wright both backed Taylor into the ropes, it would seem reasonable that if Pavlik can take the hit he too will get Taylor on the ropes. The difference is Pavlik can do some damage, and Taylor is likely to pay a heavy price for his ****** hands down style.

[cupcrazy01]

Pavlik held up under Miranda's firepower, and I suspect he will do the same against Taylor. Since the light punching Ouma and Wright both backed Taylor into the ropes, it would seem reasonable that if Pavlik can take the hit he too will get Taylor on the ropes. The difference is Pavlik can do some damage, and Taylor is likely to pay a heavy price for his ****** hands down style.

Miranda's "firepower" wasn't firing at optimum capacity thanks to the weight problems. Taylor allowed both Ouma and Winky to back him up. In the Winky fight it was effective jabbing and aggressiveness, but in the Ouma fight it was Taylor just conceding ground, which obviously he can't do vs. Pavlik.

I don't think he will--Steward is a great trainer, and the three biggest things he will focus on in this camp (provided he is there) will be (1) the jab, from which comes so many potential advantages, (2) keeping the hands up, if they are down like they have been Pavlik will find him early and often, and (3) taking the initiative, anybody who has watched boxing over the last few years knows that judges award aggressiveness (effective or not) more than ring generalship, counter-punching and defense. Taylor himself has largely benefited from this concept in the Hopkins fights and the Spinks fight.

I think Taylor will jab effectively, withstand alot of Pavlik flurries and land some big shots of his own en route to a late stoppage or close but clear decision victory. Like a couple of posters have said, Taylor has good hand speed and if he's willing to throw--and this is the perfect style match-up for just letting his hands go, unlike fights vs. Hopkins, Winky and Spinks--he will hit Pavlik often, and I think hurt him.

Great fight, now GET IT SIGNED!

[BROOKLYN CESAR]

I still think taylor will win!!! IMO he does have enough skill to beat pavlik!!!

[Derranged]

What makes you think he will use that jab, something he hasn't done for awile. I agree that if he uses the jab he'll win, but do you agree that there is a chance Pavlik just outworks him to a Md.

I think everyone is assuming that if it goes the distance, Taylor will win. I just don't think thats the case.

Anything can happen. I guess Pavlik has a chance, how good I cant say. Everyone has an opinion, and I could sort of see why some would think Pavlik can win. He has a great workrate. But to say that Taylor has NO CHANCE is ridiculous.