Are we high? How can this make you a P4P?

[DiegoFuego]

This right here is probably the reason why PBFs retired, think about it.

Out of the ring, he's been playing the role of a WWE heel (ironic, for one that has so much distain for MMA and WWE).

This has lead to most of those that purchased his PPV to be in the hopes that PBF would be 'shut up' I.E. KOd.

Who the hell could KO PBF if DLH couldn't? Casual fans won't give cotto a shot, because most casual fans really don't know who the hell he is yet.


Without the hope of PBF getting KTFO, there is no reason to buy any more of his PPVs for most people. One can already guess what's going to happen in any of his future fights.

No, he will not be shut up. Yes, he will talk a whole bunch of crap about how he's going to beat on his opponent. Yes, his punch output will be embarrasing. Yes, there will be a low activity level in the fight. Yes, it will be boring as hell. Yes, people will leave early. No, there won't be a KO, No, he won't get hit.

Hell, I can even score this Hypothetical fight without looking. Against a slow as crap fighter, 119-109. Against a fighter with 70% of his own speed? 115-113. The audience (or whomever is still there) will boo. He will go on to claim himself to be the most exciting fighter on the planet.

Sound accurate? He's boring, and predictable as a change in the seasons.

A WWE fan converted into a boxing fan generally wouldn't be a Mayweather fan, so now all of your claims are making sense to me. Your short attention span should remain with the WWE or move on to UFC

[DiegoFuego]

That is all.

[Pandaman64]

A WWE fan converted into a boxing fan generally wouldn't be a Mayweather fan, so now all of your claims are making sense to me. Your short attention span should remain with the WWE or move on to UFC

Ah, I see. More of this 'only PBF fans REALLY know boxing' mentality. Cong****, You are now cancer to boxing. Are you really so incapable of proper argument? Pitiful.

[Williamb45]

Alot of opinions and theories on what makes a fighter "P4P All Time Great", but some have been hit on by many people for the last couple of years. And much of it's true.

Mayweather, while being one of the most gifted, talented, and ring-smart fighters in the last 30 years, has probably let his business-smarts get the better of him. He hasn't had any real wars in the ring like almost every other all-time great has, for fear of his future, and worry over losing that "0".

Sugar Ray Leonard, for example. Every bit as physically capable as Mayweather, probably more so, but he never let his desire to make a buck and protect his reputation at all costs get in the way of giving the fans a spectacular fight. Where Leonard would stand toe-to-toe and trade with the likes of Hearns, Meaweather would've stayed on his bicycle, thrown enough lightning quick (but undamaging) punches to make the judges feel they were obligated to give him the majority of the rounds and won the fight, while the fans lost, just like they did when he was in the ring against
Oscar.

In the end, Mayweather has what he was after, I guess. An assload of money, more than he could ever spend, a (mostly) deserved undefeated record, and retirement while he's still pretty and has most of his brains. What he never gave a **** about are the boxing fans, and I suppose that's why they got what they did....nothing. Not a goddamned thing worth remembering, anyway.

In another 20 years, I'll still remember vividly the night Sugar Ray Leonard stood right the **** in front of, and KO'd Tommy Hearns, a guy much larger than him and the heavy favorite to win, after getting rocked and pounded by punches that should've had him on the canvas multiple times. I can still see most of that last round in my mind.

I doubt I'll even remember Mayweather's first name, much less recall any of the specifics of even his more "exciting" fights like that with Oscar (who himself has truly had some wars, and has given me, a boxing fan, every penny I've paid him right back to me in my enjoyment of his fights). All I'll remember about Mayweather is that he didn't give a **** about giving the fans, the ones who made him ****** rich, their money's worth. I'll remember that he was all about the money, and nothing else.

Very good post. Agree 100%.

[Technical_Skill]

I dont want any fighter to abandon their gameplan for the sake of my entertanment, i want them to protect themselves, make money for their family and box to the best of their ability, its all about skills, anyone can be agressive and throw a punch, not everyone can step back dodge the punch and counter.

[Pandaman64]

I dont want any fighter to abandon their gameplan for the sake of my entertanment, i want them to protect themselves, make money for their family and box to the best of their ability, its all about skills, anyone can be agressive and throw a punch, not everyone can step back dodge the punch and counter.

Ah, but the truly impressive fighter moves forward while dodging snd throwing counters.

[Technical_Skill]

Ah, but the truly impressive fighter moves forward while dodging snd throwing counters.

I think it take more skill to fight on the back foot, especially against guy who throw loads of shots at you, stand against a wall with your mate, and let him throw combinations at your head, and see how many you dodge, then watch mayweather, increadible skills.

The skill level should be appriciated, as a fan of boxing, i like to see boxing rather than slugging, i can slug with Mayweather, ill get KTFO, but i can do it, but if i even tried to go on the backfoot and box, id probably look even worse. lol

[gman_bx]

De La Hoya is the most complete fighter at 154. Judah is a contender at 147. Neither are bums. You forget to mention that he won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses. Cotto hasn't done it. Hopkins hasn't. Mosley hasn't.

yeah but dlh is a part time fighter & had 1 fight in almost 3 yrs when they fought (& still argueably lost or got a draw).....judah is.....judah i guess....
as far as his 5 titles....many of them he got hand picking his opponents to get a title shot or picking the champ that best fits his style......definately NOT the best opponents or champs out there (example-fighting sharmba-judah-baldomir)
@140 he fought a weak, starved, drained gatti who's problems making weight got worse & worse after the 3rd ward fight (where he phiically looked much better & stronger if you look at him)

[-EX-]

Sharmba was a tune up. Baldomir was a champion. Gatti didn't say anything about weight. That fight would have went the same way. Gatti barely landed a glove on Floyd. Margarito sucks. Cotto was already scheduled for other fights. People picked DLH to beat Floyd. Floyd beat him easily. Floyd didn't even use his A game. He was throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time, and letting Oscar throw bull**** flurries on the ropes, which any fighter could do.

[Pandaman64]

I think it take more skill to fight on the back foot, especially against guy who throw loads of shots at you, stand against a wall with your mate, and let him throw combinations at your head, and see how many you dodge, then watch mayweather, increadible skills.

The skill level should be appriciated, as a fan of boxing, i like to see boxing rather than slugging, i can slug with Mayweather, ill get KTFO, but i can do it, but if i even tried to go on the backfoot and box, id probably look even worse. lol

I think this is where PBF fans and haters are split. Fans watch what PBF does and are truly impressed. He doesn't get hit. Not really. And to his fans that's impressive. Fighting in such a manner, while not particularly eye-catching to most, or particulary using high levels of boxing skill, takes approximatly a CRAPTON of speed and even MORE stamina. The fact that he is able to sustain such footwork for 10 rounds is amazing, and a phenomenon in itself.

I however, believe that it takes FAR more skill to go towards another fighter and not get hit, than to go backwards (out of range) and not get hit. It is my belief that turtling up on the ropes is not an indication of brilliant boxing. Nor is backing up. It is my belief that the greatest boxers are those that go forward, towards the opponents punches, and STILL manage to not get hit (think whitaker, winky wright to a lesser extent).

Try walking towards your friend and not getting hit. I think you'll find it more challenging than the wall.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.