Do We Underestimate Boxers Against The UFC?

[Kball15]

I think it depends on footwork and quickness.

Put a guy like MAYWEATHER in there, and he kicks some ass. He could easily learn to avoid these takedowns cause hes so quick on his feet.


Put a guy like KLITSCHKO in there, and he'd be brutualized

[Steak]

1.Just because they can bench 500 doesnt mean ****. I WW Matt Hughes would take him down easier than a hot knife going in butter. Even with training in wreslting just like boxing it takes a lifetime to master. Just like any form of fighting.
2. Just wont happen. Liddell is 37 and has the best taketown defence in the game. It just doesnt happen over night

tell that to Mark Hunt, who beat Silva in his second mma fight, the first loss in Silvas career in 6 or 7 years. Styles make fights, but Silva has a black belt in BJJ...but he couldnt sub a newbie to the sport? and dont give me that **** about Mark Hunt is a kickboxer, he barely uses kicks to say the least, especially in mma, and has very little cardio due to him being around 300lbs...

and last time I checked, Hughes got dominated by St. Pierre, who just pushed him away and kept his distance the whole first round, while the fight lasted at least...

Im not saying a boxer could just walk into mma and take over, but you bet your ass they could do well if they worked really hard and adapted.
But like I said, I DONT want boxers to go into mma, I watch boxers because I enjoy BOXING, boxers in mma wouldn't be half as fun to watch....

...Unless we stuffed guys like Cory Spinks and Zahir Raheem in there...no one would miss them in boxing, and I think everyone would be quite happy if they lost every single match
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[BrooklynBomber]

I think it depends on footwork and quickness.

Put a guy like MAYWEATHER in there, and he kicks some ass. He could easily learn to avoid these takedowns cause hes so quick on his feet.


Put a guy like KLITSCHKO in there, and he'd be brutualized

And why is that?

[BrooklynBomber]

Oh, wait, I remembered, you hate Klitschko(actually both of them) cause they are european.

[Brave_turtle]

What most of you guys fail to understand is that Liddell was a wrestler before he was a striker.

His wrestling help him escape takedowns and even if he gets takedown he always find a way to get up. That being said, all of you who thinks PFB or Mike Tyson would have the advantages over MMA champs are delusional. Everyone stand a puncher chance but they do not have the ''advantages''.

Takedown defense doesn't come easily, you need training. Saying PFB or Tyson can learn this or that assuming they can learn it effectively is aiming for utopia. PFB and Tyson are good strikers, but some good strikers will never be able to develop certain area of fighting. Pretending they will develop these skills overnight is just non-sense, even with hard training they may never be successful.

Regarding the Mark Hunt Vs Wanderlei Silva fight... Blackirish137 do you realize Wanderlei is about 190 lbs and Hunt is 300 lbs? And we are talking about K1 elite fighter, Hunt is no joke in striking. The man is heavy, fast, accurate and have granite chin. This is not like RJJ vs Ruiz. Hunt cardio is as good or better than any Top Heavy weight in boxing. Hunt doesn't throw kick often but he does throw those knees, didn't know that did you?

Now if you want fair comparison and compare Hunt's to Heavy weight guys... He lost to Yoshida, Barnett and Fedor, all by submission. Take it this way. Style makes fight. Put a pure striker against a pure grappler, experienced has showed that fight usually end on the ground so the grappler has a greater % chance of winning. Now, lets think this is a perfect world and PFB learns takedown defense. He will most likely be very very very dangerous but like I said it's utopia. What if he fights a top kickboxer. As far as striking goes, kickboxer have the advatages over boxers, so not only PFB will have to adapt to submission/takedown defense, he will have to work on his striking. You see, in MMA there are so many variables...

Also, Please guys stop comparing MMA striking stance to boxing stance. Boxing stance is weak in MMA because it makes fighter salivate for takedown. So PFB striking may be weaker than Liddell striking in MMA because he would be easily take down. If he tries to adapt and change his stance, his striking may not look as fluid and technical from a boxing point of view.

This his been the most closed-minded forum I have been so far. Other boxing forum seems to have more respect over other sports.

PS: If you guys think Takedown/submission is not important, look at this : http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqxjr2ybJWw

Genki is like 145lbs and Butterbean is like 360 lbs. Have fun

[Naiujiro]

No UFC fighter has ever fought in a boxing match coz they know they will get licked. On the other hand...mediocre/retired boxers have fought in the UFC and has been successful most of the time.

Ummm.... one question, WHO and WHEN in the UFC?

[Brave_turtle]

No UFC fighter has ever fought in a boxing match coz they know they will get licked. On the other hand...mediocre/retired boxers have fought in the UFC and has been successful most of the time.

That's unfair comparison because most MMA fighter aren't boxers. They are usually master of other martial arts.

Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in wrestling?

Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in BJJ?

Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Judo?

Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Sambo?

Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Kickboxing?

Alot of MMA fighters doesn't train their striking in boxing and doesn't use boxing stance. They rather train in kickboxing for striking.

[Steak]

Silva 190 lbs my ass. he weighed in around 220 lbs for his fight against CroCop, and walks around even more when not in perfect shape. The weight limit for his weight class isnt even that low. and Hunt is 300 ****ing lbs of fat, and hes gotten beaten by bums in boxing, his hands are not that good. His head is made of stone though, this is absolutely true. can take a shot like hell.

have you even seen his mma fights? he barely throws anything but punches. no, not even knees. last effective non punch he used was against Dan ****ing Bobish. and that weight 'advantage' is very advantageous when a 'black belt' in BJJ is on top of you, right? Ive seen the ****ing fight along with all of his other fights, its not like I dont know my ****. This newbie in Mark Hunt almost submitted Fedor with a keylock in his last damn fight.

and often times in mma fights, grapplers catch the kicks people throw, and take them down that way. Even CroCop has gotten caught with that a few times, and hes supposed to have some of the best takedown defence in the game. It simply leaves you open as hell to takedowns AND punches, because kicks take longer to fire off and get back in position than a punch (for the most part)

and yea, btw, Rampage only did a little wrestling in high school. nothing deeper than that. hes made his way around mma with mostly his strength and through gaining experience while fighting, he is no seasoned wrestler. and I dont remember him being taken down by many people...last person I remember is Sakuraba.

If you dont think some boxers could do well if they adapt and put a lot of effort into it, youre an idiot. Besides, there are boxers out there with wrestling experience already....like O'Neil Bell and Cintron. But these exciting fighters are much more exciting in a boxing ring.
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[Chups]

Ummm.... one question, WHO and WHEN in the UFC?

Look at the 1st page. I just posted some videos of mediocre butterbean.

[-Antonio-]

I think these threads need to stop.