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  • bdevils
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    #121
    Originally posted by squealpiggy
    To reiterate, I don't think that Mayweather "ducked" Margarito, and I certainly don't think Margarito would have beaten him, but if you're going to repeatedly bring up old and irrelevant news ("Ooh Hatton turned him down, he priced himself out blah blah") then you can't react with exasperation when someone else does the same.

    I'm very much playing devil's advocate here.
    Real simple I would like to see hatton/floyd ok but it falls on hatton if the fight doesn't happen. I guess we agree that we disagree. Have a nice day

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    • squealpiggy
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      #122
      I don't think it would fall on either fighter as such. It's up to a fighters' negotiating team to make arrangements and strike a deal. I really don't believe that world champions duck one another out of fear.

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        #123
        Originally posted by squealpiggy
        I don't think it would fall on either fighter as such. It's up to a fighters' negotiating team to make arrangements and strike a deal. I really don't believe that world champions duck one another out of fear.
        Your right I should of said hatton's camp not just hatton. I remember when hatton and cotto came to see the gatti/floyd fight so i understand why they didn't want to sign the fight after that. Either way people are always looking for someone to upset floyd but that's what happens when your the best fighter in the world. I just like to watch fight after fight when floyd wins than they pull another name out of the hat to upset him.
        Last edited by bdevils; 05-27-2007, 04:24 PM.

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        • tito yuca
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          #124
          Originally posted by squealpiggy
          It wasn't like there was a fight with Baldomir or a fight with Margarito. At the time Margarito was calling him out there wasn't anyone else Mayweather was signed to fight. He was the only fight out there.
          What the ****? Floyd was trying to get Oscar and Mosley to fight him, but Oscar was deciding wheather he wanted to retire or not (eventually said he wouldn't retire but wouldn't fight again in 2006) and Shane was talkin that toothache ****. Also, he was talking with Spinks - he was going to go up to 154 to challenge the main guy there, a fight that was 99% a done deal. When it folded, he then took on the recognized WW champ in Baldomir. So that's FOUR fights out there.

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          • Technical_Skill
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            #125
            Originally posted by squealpiggy
            Baldomir managed to catch Floyd against the ropes a few times. You think if Blady could do it Hatton couldn't? You're saying that Hatton is slower on his feet than Bladomir?
            Dunno what fight you were watchin, Baldomir landed once or twice the whole fight on mayweather's body, there is a difference between getting a few shots in after throwing hundreds of punches, and being hit continuosly to the body till you are clearly hurt, as was Hatton against urango.


            Originally posted by squealpiggy
            Yes Urango is stronger them Mayweather, have you seen that guy? No he would not last 12 rounds against De La Hoya. But that's completely irrelevant, Urango wouldn't last 12 rounds with De La Hoya because he doesn't have Floyd Mayweather's defensive ability, strength has little to do with how long he lasts in a boxing match. It does affect the tactics you use against a fighter though.
            I have seen that guy, is he ripped and in shape 365 days a year? does he spar 15 minute rounds to train for a fight? Strength is needed for stamina, the more weights you lift, the more weight resistance you can take, thus why people go to the gym, they become stronger and have the stamina to push themselves more and more. (well some people anyways)


            Originally posted by squealpiggy
            Ricky won 11 out of 12 rounds on all scorecards, why do we need an excuse? Ricky couldn't overpower Urango because he was too powerful, so instead he outboxed him.
            Ricky did outbox him for 8 or so rounds, then the huggin started, and there is a difference between outboxing juan urango, and outboxing floyd mayweather.

            Originally posted by squealpiggy
            He had a bad night against Collazo. Oh and still won.
            If it was just a bad night, Why didnt he rematch him then? after the interview he promised collazo a rematch to set the record straight, then he went and fought Urango instead


            Originally posted by squealpiggy
            If Ricky tries to box Mayweather he loses big. If he turns it into a fight then he makes it competitive. Hatton doesn't have Mayweather's extraordinary skills or physical attirubtes, but he does have attributes of his own. Dismissing them out of hand is a little naive.
            As i have said before, this fight totally depends on Mayweather, i dont think ricky has the footwork to make mayweather have to fight, if mayweather chooses to go in the pocket, which i think he would, there isnt much hatton can do about it, if mayweather chooses to fight from the outside, nothing much hatton can do about it,

            All this stuff about hatton 'walking though punches' is a myth, he did it once against a shot tszyu, collzao almost stopped him on their fight and urango hurt him in that fight too, mayweather would definatley hurt him, he had oscar legs buckling twice in that fight and weighted 148 against a middleweight puncher.

            He doesnt have the movement to be able to make mayweather uncomfortable imo, mayweather can win too many different ways, from the outside, in the pocket, he can single shot pot-shot him from angles, hatton has basic defenisve flaws with simple punches like leads, isn't particulary fast enough to land on mayweather, hasnt knocked anyone out of note out with a head shot in his divsion (i think anyways) so i dont think he is all that powerful to the head

            and he has never shown that he is gonna be the guy that really hurts mayweather, better fighters than Hatton have been beaten convincingly trying to rush and brawl with floyd, i dont think that tactic works.

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              #126
              Originally posted by tito yuca
              What the ****? Floyd was trying to get Oscar and Mosley to fight him, but Oscar was deciding wheather he wanted to retire or not (eventually said he wouldn't retire but wouldn't fight again in 2006) and Shane was talkin that toothache ****. Also, he was talking with Spinks - he was going to go up to 154 to challenge the main guy there, a fight that was 99% a done deal. When it folded, he then took on the recognized WW champ in Baldomir. So that's FOUR fights out there.
              Oh yes, Spinks, that was it. Oscar was retired, Mosley was out of action due to poor dentistry, so it was fight Margarito for 8 million or fight light-punching Spinks for less, and Mayweather's camp was leaning towards Spinks as I remember...

              The Baldomir fight only became available after the Spinks fight fell through,

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              • tito yuca
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                #127
                Originally posted by squealpiggy
                Mosley was out of action due to poor dentistry
                HAHAHAHAHAHA

                You're hilarious.

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by Randall_Hopkirk
                  Witter's not a big name in the US or UK, plus Hatton is not that bothered about an ABC belt.
                  It is not about the belt. It is about what the fans in the UK and the US want. He is one of the top dogs in the division.

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                    #129
                    Originally Posted by Randall_Hopkirk
                    Witter's not a big name in the US or UK, plus Hatton is not that bothered about an ABC belt.
                    No his more bothered about defending his ibo belt against Castillo

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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                      Dunno what fight you were watchin, Baldomir landed once or twice the whole fight on mayweather's body, there is a difference between getting a few shots in after throwing hundreds of punches, and being hit continuosly to the body till you are clearly hurt, as was Hatton against urango.
                      Hatton was hurt once in the Urango fight in the fifth round. He wasn't hurt continuously. Baldomir only caught Floyd once or twice but my position is if slow Carlos can trap him once or twice, Richy Hatton could expect to trap him more often.

                      I have seen that guy, is he ripped and in shape 365 days a year? does he spar 15 minute rounds to train for a fight? Strength is needed for stamina, the more weights you lift, the more weight resistance you can take, thus why people go to the gym, they become stronger and have the stamina to push themselves more and more. (well some people anyways)
                      Urango is bigger and stronger than Floyd Mayweather. I don't see how that is a debatable or controversial statement. Mayweather is a better boxer and a better fighter by far than Urango, but that doesn't make him physically stronger. That was a major factor in making Hatton box as he did nstead of trying to back him up. That's smart fighting, not a sign of weakness.

                      Ricky did outbox him for 8 or so rounds, then the huggin started, and there is a difference between outboxing juan urango, and outboxing floyd mayweather.
                      I completely agree with this, but I wouldn't expect Hatton to even try outboxing Mayweather. It just wouldn't make sense.

                      If it was just a bad night, Why didnt he rematch him then? after the interview he promised collazo a rematch to set the record straight, then he went and fought Urango instead
                      I don't have all the answers, but I do know that a rematch with Collazo wasn't approved by HBO. Who knows, maybe he'll get a rematch later. I'd like to see it, for one.

                      As i have said before, this fight totally depends on Mayweather, i dont think ricky has the footwork to make mayweather have to fight, if mayweather chooses to go in the pocket, which i think he would, there isnt much hatton can do about it, if mayweather chooses to fight from the outside, nothing much hatton can do about it,
                      This is where I have to disagree with you, but that's OK. I'm a Hatton fan and I do let fandom speak every now and again. I think Hatton could trap Mayweather at the ropes frequently because in my opinion he is better at that sort of game than anyone Mayweather has fought with the possible exception of Castillo.

                      All this stuff about hatton 'walking though punches' is a myth, he did it once against a shot tszyu, collzao almost stopped him on their fight and urango hurt him in that fight too, mayweather would definatley hurt him, he had oscar legs buckling twice in that fight and weighted 148 against a middleweight puncher.
                      I think that Tszyu hits harder than Mayweather and Hatton walked through those. Rick has been dropped once and it was a southpaw right hook that did it. And it was a southpaw right hook that started his bad patch against Collazo in the 12th. I still don't subscribe to the notion that he was "almost knocked out". He started the round strong and finished the round strong and looking in trouble for as much as 20 seconds. It was enough to lose the round but not even close to being KO'd.

                      He doesnt have the movement to be able to make mayweather uncomfortable imo, mayweather can win too many different ways, from the outside, in the pocket, he can single shot pot-shot him from angles, hatton has basic defenisve flaws with simple punches like leads, isn't particulary fast enough to land on mayweather, hasnt knocked anyone out of note out with a head shot in his divsion (i think anyways) so i dont think he is all that powerful to the head
                      I can't see too many people knocking Mayweather out with a headshot anyway, he's just to hard to hit clean. Hatton isn't a big one-shot KO guy (though he has finished numerous fights with headshots, most recently Maussa) but he could wear down Mayweather for a late stoppage. Any win however would be more likely to be a decision win and a close one at that. That's the best case scenario, at least until Floyd shows signs of slipping physically.

                      and he has never shown that he is gonna be the guy that really hurts mayweather, better fighters than Hatton have been beaten convincingly trying to rush and brawl with floyd, i dont think that tactic works.
                      No they haven't. The only fighter who is better than Hatton who has tried that tactic was De La Hoya, and in doing so De La Hoya was far away from his own usual game. Castillo came close by making it a rough fight, and that's what Hatton would have to do too.

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