Mayweather, Jr. and Dana White Battle Again

[wiso2008]

dorain damm that girl is fine you got good taste...just like me. who is she?

[1bad65]

Saying that MMA guys are not as good at boxing as a pro boxer is a given. No ine is saying they are. Boxing is only a part of MMA.

Look at it like this; the NFL draft is coming up. Alot of the guys entering it are going to combines and being evaluated by the teams. One of the things they look at is a guys time running a 40-yard dash. Running is only a PART of football. You don't see the best sprinters in the world talking about how the football players are not as good as sprinting as they are and how a world class sprinter could beat a football player in sprinting.

[Technical_Skill]

Seriously, you get all the dudes coming out of the woodwork like mice talking about MMA on a boxing forum, lol.

I didnt say MMA guys were not athletes.

Cro crop killed bob sapp, But sapp beating hoost was not freakish, know why? he beat him again (im pretty sure) didnt he also knockout Kimo and other top K1 guys?

yep he did.

I can only say what i have always said, a boxer would always have a punchers chance in the UFC,

UFC guys dont even have that in a boxing ring.

Yes id fancy any Jujitsu guys against a boxer in MMA rules everyday of the week.

Sorry alot these guys are NOT proper martial artists, i keep telling you people, they are athletes trained in aspects of Martial Arts, they only seek to emulate the effects of Martial arts rather than learning it for its proper use,

The art of well being through protection,


take some of these guys to parts of China where real Martial arts are studied. and there would be an outrage,

Some of These guys dont even train in the arts, not fully, their minds cant engage with the concept of using energy in certain parts of the body to create proper forces, instead they stand flat footed and throw with all their might.

In china they understand the concept of the arts to the point where they realise a simple transfer of energy, needed to neutralise a threat can only be created through a journey of self discovery and knowledge, you cant pop down to the local gym and learn a few holds lol.

Thats the reason why some 50 year old men who actually know the arts could take these guys down with one single shot,

Size and strength is alot more of a factor in MMA because alot of the guys are psuedo Martial artists, techique means less.

In boxing technique has been perfected to a degree where guys can move up from 130 pounds and become world champions at 160 pounds,

This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque.

The equivalent is not the same in MMA.

Having said that, there are some stand out fighters in the MMA genre, The Gracie's clearly understand what and how the arts are learnt.

Giving this a bump.

[Naiujiro]

Sorry alot these guys are NOT proper martial artists, i keep telling you people, they are athletes trained in aspects of Martial Arts, they only seek to emulate the effects of Martial arts rather than learning it for its proper use,

The art of well being through protection,

Where are you getting this definition of what real martial artists are?

It sounds like you are a Diehard old kung fu movie fan. Take a page out of Bruce Lee's book on Jeet Kun Do, you don't need empty stances to make something a martial art. If you want to make a martial art pure and effective, strip away all the non essentials. That should be a basic for you. Read up on Bruce Lee's methods a little bit, he is practically the father of modern Mixed Martial Arts.

take some of these guys to parts of China where real Martial arts are studied. and there would be an outrage,

Some of These guys dont even train in the arts, not fully, their minds cant engage with the concept of using energy in certain parts of the body to create proper forces, instead they stand flat footed and throw with all their might.

In china they understand the concept of the arts to the point where they realise a simple transfer of energy, needed to neutralise a threat can only be created through a journey of self discovery and knowledge, you cant pop down to the local gym and learn a few holds lol.

Thats the reason why some 50 year old men who actually know the arts could take these guys down with one single shot,

No. A 50 year old guy well versed in his art in China would not be able to take these guys down with one blow. He would get tackled, stretched, and then pounded 6 feet under like all of his predecessors. This is not new, even people with pretty basic BJJ, which virtually every MMAer has, would mop the floor with that guy no matter if he uses Wushu, Tai Chi, or anything else. That should already be a well-known fact to you.

Size and strength is alot more of a factor in MMA because alot of the guys are psuedo Martial artists, techique means less.

In boxing technique has been perfected to a degree where guys can move up from 130 pounds and become world champions at 160 pounds,

This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque.

Ummm. Again Sapp was in K-1. Size, strength and build play much more of a role in there then say PRIDE FC or UFC. And about that whole "This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque." part of your argument, then why do they have weight classes, if size and strength played such a little to insignificant role in boxing?

The equivalent is not the same in MMA.

Having said that, there are some stand out fighters in the MMA genre, The Gracie's clearly understand what and how the arts are learnt.

Sounds to me like you try to cover your ass with the Gracie's name, while spitting out your insults about MMA.

[Technical_Skill]

Where are you getting this definition of what real martial artists are?

It sounds like you are a Diehard old kung fu movie fan. Take a page out of Bruce Lee's book on Jeet Kun Do, you don't need empty stances to make something a martial art. If you want to make a martial art pure and effective, strip away all the non essentials. That should be a basic for you. Read up on Bruce Lee's methods a little bit, he is practically the father of modern Mixed Martial Arts.

First of all i used the Kung movie line on you yesterday, so i dunno why you trying to modify it. lol

Nah i dont need to read up on Jeet Kun Do, because its based on Energy Transfer through your body to the other guys body, maybe you need to read up on it.

No. A 50 year old guy well versed in his art in China would not be able to take these guys down with one blow. He would get tackled, stretched, and then pounded 6 feet under like all of his predecessors. This is not new, even people with pretty basic BJJ, which virtually every MMAer has, would mop the floor with that guy no matter if he uses Wushu, Tai Chi, or anything else. That should already be a well-known fact to you.

No you know nothing about Chinese martial arts, probably cos you are not chinese, some of these guys absolutely murder these MMA with one strike,

example Tai Chi, which you mention, comes in different fighting variations, in the UK there was a program about a welsh guy who learned martial arts in Japan, he spoke fluent Japanese and Chinese and went to villiages and towns in China to meet extrodinary people who lived ate and breathed their arts. This welsh guy was well taught in the arts, a 60-70 year old guy touched him in a certain place, causing this guy to collapse in pain.

Why?

Basic energy transfer to certain points in the body would render anyone seriously hurt, no matter how built or strong you are, the pressure points are still in the same place, if these MMA guys every fought someone who knew Tai Chi Chuan, UFC guy would be risking his life, seriously. lol.

Because Proper Arts like the ones taught back in China cant be understood by your average western meathead, in general they cant understand the concept of well being, they dont understand the lifestyle, they simply are only interested in emulating the effects and hurting people

http://www.chutaichi.com/taichi.shtml

Read this, then talk to me about these so-called 'Martial Artists'

Ummm. Again Sapp was in K-1. Size, strength and build play much more of a role in there then say PRIDE FC or UFC. And about that whole "This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque." part of your argument, then why do they have weight classes, if size and strength played such a little to insignificant role in boxing?

I never said ''size and strength play such a little to insignificant role in Boxing'' did i?

Nope .

I said

''Size and strength is alot more of a factor in MMA because alot of the guys are psuedo Martial artists, techique means less.

In boxing technique has been perfected to a degree where guys can move up from 130 pounds and become world champions at 160 pounds,

This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque.''

So you obviously need to re-read my post before commenting on it.

[1bad65]

Technical Skill, with all due respect, you do need to educate yourself on Martial Arts. Jeet Kun Do has nothing to do with 'Energy Transfer'. It's actually about mixing different arts and using what is effective and discarding what is not.

And if you really think a 50 year old CMA guy could KO an MMA guy in one shot you are way off the mark. I'm not gonna go off on a different topic, but alot of guys who practice arts that are truly not combat-effective use excuses like 'too deadly' or 'its not respectful' etc to justify not putting it on the line.

If you believe in 'death touches', I hate to break it to you, but you have been fooled. Look up 'human stun gun' on youtube.

I suggest you head over to Bullshido.net and ask around about the effectivness of certain arts and about the subject of 'training alive'.

[Ruskie Judo]

Seriously, you get all the dudes coming out of the woodwork like mice talking about MMA on a boxing forum, lol.

I didnt say MMA guys were not athletes.

Cro crop killed bob sapp, But sapp beating hoost was not freakish, know why? he beat him again (im pretty sure) didnt he also knockout Kimo and other top K1 guys?

yep he did.

I can only say what i have always said, a boxer would always have a punchers chance in the UFC,

UFC guys dont even have that in a boxing ring.

Yes id fancy any Jujitsu guys against a boxer in MMA rules everyday of the week.

Sorry alot these guys are NOT proper martial artists, i keep telling you people, they are athletes trained in aspects of Martial Arts, they only seek to emulate the effects of Martial arts rather than learning it for its proper use,

The art of well being through protection,


take some of these guys to parts of China where real Martial arts are studied. and there would be an outrage,

Some of These guys dont even train in the arts, not fully, their minds cant engage with the concept of using energy in certain parts of the body to create proper forces, instead they stand flat footed and throw with all their might.

In china they understand the concept of the arts to the point where they realise a simple transfer of energy, needed to neutralise a threat can only be created through a journey of self discovery and knowledge, you cant pop down to the local gym and learn a few holds lol.

Thats the reason why some 50 year old men who actually know the arts could take these guys down with one single shot,

Size and strength is alot more of a factor in MMA because alot of the guys are psuedo Martial artists, techique means less.

In boxing technique has been perfected to a degree where guys can move up from 130 pounds and become world champions at 160 pounds,

This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque.

The equivalent is not the same in MMA.

Having said that, there are some stand out fighters in the MMA genre, The Gracie's clearly understand what and how the arts are learnt.

Sapp did beat some top K-1 fighters, but K-1 is closer to boxing than it is to MMA rules. He is a freakshow in MMA now and just dropped out of a Cage Rage fight against a nobody two days before (he doesn't want to fight MMA anymore)

In terms of martial arts, don't give me this bull about Sholain Monks and these Chinese TMA's. You've watched Kill Bill one too many times. You are dilluisional if you think these kind of things really exist. The reason that people of Wing Chung and other TMA's are so secret about their techniques is because they don't really work. I had someone once tell me the Ming Dynasty had secret warriors that overthrew Chinggis Qan using Wing Chaun (historically impossible)

You know very little about martial arts. You are so caught up with the mystical, magical and inpractical aspects of these arts and their culture you do not see the practical applications. Most of these guys have a rank in a martial art, there are plenty of Brazilian Ju-jitsu black belts and lower ranks, Judo black belts, different forms of Karate black belts. Plus you have experts in Muay Thai, Kenny Florian (UFC fighter) actually went and trained in Thailand . Don't tell me these guys aren't martial artists because they can't look at you and knock you out.

The Gracies train plenty of the fighters you claim not to be martial artists. Some people on this forum need to do research.

[Ruskie Judo]

My point is many of the top MMA champions never boxed in their life, so I'm saying that a non-professional boxer can beat these guys in the ring and I'm willing to prove this point to the world, so any of you guys want to get in touch with me, I'm right here, just send me a PM and we make this happen!

I hate when you guys consider yourselves martial artists, because you're not one, you guys don't know **** about martial arts or boxing, you guys do a pretty bad job at both! The only thing you guys are good in is a little wrestling and take downs which any idiot can learn within a few months.

You guys claim that boxing is part of your combat, but the fact is none of your top MMA guys can box, they can lose in a boxing ring by a bum non-professional boxer, that's my point!

My point is that before a guy like Jeff Monson who before getting into MMA, never really boxed in his life now has professional boxing experince. Would you get in the ring with him? I don't know any pro fighters so I am sorry I cannot help you. Rogerio Nogueira, was a Judo and BJJ black belt before he got into boxing and now he is a South American games gold medalist. These are guys who used to be grapplers and during the transition to MMA became good boxers as well. Mixed martial artists train Western boxing, some of them choose to compete outside of MMA in real boxing, some don't, but realize that Monson is not a striker and doesn't like to stand in MMA but still is able to win Pro bouts in boxing. Nogueira was out boxed by a guy who had been training Judo for most of his life and just started training kickboxing. These two are just examples, mixed martial artists boxing skills on average are just as good if not better than Monson.

[Naiujiro]

Nah i dont need to read up on Jeet Kun Do, because its based on Energy Transfer through your body to the other guys body, maybe you need to read up on it.

Damn, man. Energy transfer is soooo ****ING vague. If your ***** ass moves and comes in contact with something else, there is energy transfer. It's basic physics. Anything that is a martial art would have to have energy transfered, or else it wouldn't be be called a martial art. Because no contact=no damage. Dude, you are soo ****in lost, and try to unsuccessfully generalize all matters so you don't see the need to do any additional research. You can only wing it so long before people see through your utter lack of intellect.

No you know nothing about Chinese martial arts, probably cos you are not chinese, some of these guys absolutely murder these MMA with one strike,

example Tai Chi, which you mention, comes in different fighting variations, in the UK there was a program about a welsh guy who learned martial arts in Japan, he spoke fluent Japanese and Chinese and went to villiages and towns in China to meet extrodinary people who lived ate and breathed their arts. This welsh guy was well taught in the arts, a 60-70 year old guy touched him in a certain place, causing this guy to collapse in pain.

Why?

Basic energy transfer to certain points in the body would render anyone seriously hurt, no matter how built or strong you are, the pressure points are still in the same place, if these MMA guys every fought someone who knew Tai Chi Chuan, UFC guy would be risking his life, seriously. lol.

Because Proper Arts like the ones taught back in China cant be understood by your average western meathead, in general they cant understand the concept of well being, they dont understand the lifestyle, they simply are only interested in emulating the effects and hurting people

http://www.chutaichi.com/taichi.shtml

Read this, then talk to me about these so-called 'Martial Artists'

Dude, tai chi is NOT the ultimate martial art. You must be suffering from a concussion to think so. My best friend, who was Chinese, practiced tai chi, and wushu for his entire life. He had unbelievably hard knuckles, and mind boggling speed. But he still got subbed over and over and over and over and over again by me, while going all out. His father was an accomplished man in both arts and opened up a few dojos around my area. I subbed him in under 1:30 by RNC then again under 3:00 via triangle.

Your example of an old man touching a guy and the guy collapsing in pain is soo ****ing weak. It's not even worth addressing.

I never said ''size and strength play such a little to insignificant role in Boxing'' did i?

Nope .

I said

''Size and strength is alot more of a factor in MMA because alot of the guys are psuedo Martial artists, techique means less.

In boxing technique has been perfected to a degree where guys can move up from 130 pounds and become world champions at 160 pounds,

This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque.''

So you obviously need to re-read my post before commenting on it.

Dude read your own ****ing post!

"This is because the technique and art of boxing is such that Size and strength pale in comparison to techinque."

In everything technique plays a huge part, any who says otherwise is an idiot. But Size, strength, and build also play a major role as well. If it didn't play such a major role, then boxing would have never been separated into weight classes, nor would they bother measuring reach advantages.

Take the other previous users' advice and take some reading comprehension classes. Till then, get the hell off of these forums!

It's like talking to a wall here, geeze.

[1bad65]

Don't waste your time arguing with Gunstar. He is, by his own admission, scared of 'fake' fighters.