Mayweather, Jr. and Dana White Battle Again

[HendrixLove]

I think it is obvious that Sherk wins every time in MMA and Mayweather wins every time in boxing. Sherk WOULD take your boy down no matter how good you think his footwork is. I've seen many Sherk fights and he constantly takes down guys who train wrestling. My problem is Mayweather (and even a lot of yall) thinking that he can just learn some TD defense and beat a top 10 MMA fighter. It is just as ****** as me claiming that Sokoudjou could take some boxing classes and compete with a top 10 boxer.

edit: ^ While yall are checking out those topics that that dude above me posted, go to the sherdog store and buy Pride High Octane on DVD. That will learn ya.

You sound like a dumbass. Wrestlers are not boxers, so why are you even bringing some **** about some guy shrek taking down wrestlers....???Wrestlers come forward, unlike boxers that could use footwork and good jabs. This ***got sherk won't be able to take down a fast fighter like Floyd regardless of how much wrestlers you said he's taken down.

[EolGul]

You sound like a dumbass. Wrestlers are not boxers, so why are you even bringing some **** about some guy shrek taking down wrestlers....???Wrestlers come forward, unlike boxers that could use footwork and good jabs. This ***got sherk won't be able to take down a fast fighter like Floyd regardless of how much wrestlers you said he's taken down.

So do you think Mayweather's boxing footwork will help him avoid Sherk's takedowns better than a solid background in wrestling? If so, you are talking out of your ass.

I agree that Mayweather would beat any UFC LW in a boxing match. In MMA, however, if you think Sherk couldn't take Mayweather down, I have some news for you: Sherk can take down whoever the hell he wants whenever the hell he wants, and boxing footwork isn't going to change anything.

[Trax416]

I have been boxing and kickboxing since I was 8 years old. I currently own two gyms here in Toronto and I am the All-Canadian amateur Heavyweight Kickboxing champion. I could have gone pro last year but decided to get some financial backing before I made the leap. I have traveled all over the world and trained with the best kick boxers alive, like Aerts, Hoost and others (equivalent of training with PBF, Prime Tyson, etc).

I came across this thread while browsing other boxing forums and a few MMA forums and was completely disgusted. The fact people are calling MMA fighters anything but Athletes is disrespectful and flat out incorrect. Many Mixed Martial Arts fighters have been training since they were Children. They have been to the Olympics, won world championships and demonstrated amazing skills and athleticism. Earning a black belt in disciplines like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu isn’t something that happens over-night. It can take up to 15-20 years to earn a black belt and some people never have the chance of wearing it there entire life. Mixed Martial Arts also is home to many great Kick boxers like Mirko Filipovic. who, in kickboxing is more of a legend then Floyd Maywheather will ever be in boxing. These guys are not random street thugs, they are world class fighters in the disciplines they come from, much like Floyd is in boxing.

Striking in MMA:

Striking in MMA is not the same as in boxing. You can’t use the same footwork or combinations. In boxing you only have to worry about your fighter’s hands. You never have to watch there feet, knees or other parts of the body. You aren’t watching to stop a takedown or Thai Clinch and you certainly don’t have to condition your body for it. Using head fakes and weaves in MMA will result in a swift kick to the temple or ribs. The leg is longer then the arm and Floyd’s footwork has been tailor made to avoid being punched, not kicked and especially not kicked to the knees or leg. Receiving a leg kick from someone like Mirko Filipovic is the equivalent of being hit with a baseball bat at full speed. Boxers are not conditioned to take that type of punishment to any part of there lower body(waist down).

Takedowns and the Clinch in MMA:

These are two things that are completely foreign to a boxer. Many fans think all a boxer would need to do is learn how to stop a takedown but that’s wrong. There are many types of clinches, like Thai Clinch, Body lock, Under hooks and different holds and moves used in wrestling. It’s like saying all an MMA fighter would have to watch out for is punches. There are right hands, left hands, combinations, crosses, uppercuts etc.. The same goes for clinches and takedowns. There are literally dozens of different maneuvers world class wrestlers like Matt Lindland (who won a Silver medal in the Olympics) use to drop there opponent. Olympic wrestlers spend decades learning takedowns and how to stop being takedown, it’s not as simple as a couple months of training.

The Ground Game in MMA:

Another ignorant comment made by many boxing fans is “all they do on the ground is hug”. That’s not the case what so ever. Grappling has existed as long as boxing has. It’s a fighting form that takes as much finesse and technique as the sweet science and is a huge part of Mixed Martial Arts. Any boxer who ends up on there back will be subbed within 2 minutes. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a Martial Art that perfects grappling. A fighter who knows this discipline has literally thousands of options to tap or choke out his opponent. The reason they look like they are “hugging” is because they are countering each others moves and are in a grappling match. It’s a lot like Chess, when one fighter makes his more the other has to counter. If he ends up in the wrong position it could be check mate, or in this case lights out. Saying “all they are doing is hugging” is the equivalent of saying all Floyd does with his footwork is run away from his opponent like a coward. It’s simply not true and both are art forms in them self.

Conclusion:

That’s as basic as I can explain things right now. I don’t understand why boxing fans and MMA fans can’t respect each others sport. Boxing perfects punching and MMA perfects the overall fighter. If Floyd was to fight Sherk in MMA he would be dominated and lose within 2 minutes at the most. Boxing footwork does not work in MMA and can only help Sherk grab a hold of him and put him on his back. However the same goes for Sherk in Boxing. If they where to have a boxing match, Floyd would destroy any MMA fighter his weight. He would dance circles around them and display his amazing boxing skills. They are both different. What you train all your life for in boxing does not work in Mixed Martial Arts and what you train all your life for in MMA does not work in boxing.

I would also like to add UFC is not the only MMA organization in the world. Fighters like Tim Sylvia are bums and even MMA fans know that. You should check out Pride and K-1 Heros. Both are home to some of the best fighters in the world. Here is a list of the best fighter at each weight class so you guys can check youtube and maybe learn a bit more about the sport.

HW- Fedor (a god in MMA, undefeated and known as the best Mixed Martial Arts fighter to ever live)
LHW – Marcio Shogun Rua
MW – Paulo Filho, Dan Henderson, Anderson Silva
WW – Georges St Pierre, Matt Hughes (this is a division only in the UFC)
LW – Hayato Sakurai
FW – Norifumi Yamamoto

[1bad65]

You sound like a dumbass. Wrestlers are not boxers, so why are you even bringing some **** about some guy shrek taking down wrestlers....???Wrestlers come forward, unlike boxers that could use footwork and good jabs. This ***got sherk won't be able to take down a fast fighter like Floyd regardless of how much wrestlers you said he's taken down.

Naiujiro is making perfect sense, you are just too ignorant to get it. Serious, go to an MMA or BJJ place and take a free class. I'm actually trying to help you see this, I'm not being a ****. Go in and just say you wanna try it, you can be cool about it, they won't kill you If you are in high school, go check out the wrestling team, thats free too.

I train MMA, I have for about 3.5 years now. Naiujiro is right, wrestlers are the hardest to take down. It's not even close. Wrestlers do not just 'come forward', they circle, feint, and change levels alot. A HUGE part of wrestling is takedown and takedown defense. That is why they are hard to take down, and unless you wrestling is decent, that is why their takedowns are tough to defend.

[EolGul]

Naiujiro is making perfect sense, you are just too ignorant to get it. Serious, go to an MMA or BJJ place and take a free class. I'm actually trying to help you see this, I'm not being a ****. Go in and just say you wanna try it, you can be cool about it, they won't kill you If you are in high school, go check out the wrestling team, thats free too.

I train MMA, I have for about 3.5 years now. Naiujiro is right, wrestlers are the hardest to take down. It's not even close. Wrestlers do not just 'come forward', they circle, feint, and change levels alot. A HUGE part of wrestling is takedown and takedown defense. That is why they are hard to take down, and unless you wrestling is decent, that is why their takedowns are tough to defend.

Do you know Renzo personally? That dude is the ****in man! I would love to meet him one day.

[1bad65]

That was an excellent post Trax416.

And that is why I got mad earlier, the total disrespect for the fighters. You can argue over styles, records, etc but saying a pro fighter is a thug, or untrained, or its fake, etc is HIGHLY inflammatory to anyone who is a fighter, trains with fighters, etc.

[Ruskie Judo]

First off there are some dumb people on this thread, though I know this happens on all forums this one has amazed me. This mostly goes out to the guy who said "the ******ia high school shooting" because he is not intelligent enough to know that ******ia Tech is not a high school.

I have a lot respoect for professional boxers, they are amazing athletes and very tough people. Now MMA is MMA and boxing is boxing, the bottom line is either one in their respective sport would be able to beat anyone trying to crossover to the other.

Now Gunstar1, I have some news for ya...... you have no idea what you are talking about. Ever hear of Yosuke Nishijima? Former WBF Cruiserweight Champ? Well he is currently 0-4 in MMA competition. That is right a boxer..... beaten by pure mixed martial artists including a Judo gold medalist who still wears a gi in the ring and looks like he is casting a spell when he punches.
Call Jeff Monson, a great grapple and MMA fighter has a few pro boxing bouts under his belt as well, ask him if he wants to box you. And how about Antonio Rogiera Nogueira who competes with the Brazilian National Boxing Team, well he just got KTFO by a Judoka from Cameroon. Just about all MMA fighters train Western boxing just like you, some I am sure have been training longer and are more accomplished than you.

On to Bob Sapp, yes he beat Ernesto Hoost. Of course you know that was K-1 (kickboxing rules) not MMA rules. That was pretty much a freak thing though because for whatever reason Hoost just couldn't handle Sapp, but Crocop did make him cry though in under 2 minutes. Nowadays, no one is scared of Sapp anymore and he pretty much is considered a freakshow in the MMA community.

To say something like this doesn't happen in boxing isn't exactly true. Up until last week WBA's heavyweight champ was a gigantic, hairy neanderthal of a Russian man named Valuev, who really didn't have that much skill ( No disrespect to him personally, I hear he is a nice guy) I watched the last 5 rounds of that fight, and let me tell you it was a little ugly and sloppy looking.

Point is boxers would get beat in MMA and Mixed martial artists would get beat in a boxing ring. Plain and simple, but some of you really need to research this a little more. The stand-up game is completely different, you factor in takedown defense, kicks (high and low), knees and throws from the clinch, and smaller gloves, the stand-up is just different in MMA

[1bad65]

Do you know Renzo personally? That dude is the ****in man! I would love to meet him one day.

Sadly, I don't. We are an affiliate school in Austin. Rolles came down for a seminar and belt promotions. He is the one who awarded me my Blue Belt. One of our fighters was actually up there about 2 weeks ago to work out with them for a fight. My instructor is Rudy Vasquez, he is listed on Renzo's site. Rudy said Renzo is probably the coolest guy he has ever met.

[Zebraplant]

Now Gunstar1, I have some news for ya...... you have no idea what you are talking about. Ever hear of Yosuke Nishijima? Former WBF Cruiserweight Champ? Well he is currently 0-4 in MMA competition. That is right a boxer..... beaten by pure mixed martial artists including a Judo gold medalist who still wears a gi in the ring and looks like he is casting a spell when he punches.
Call Jeff Monson, a great grapple and MMA fighter has a few pro boxing bouts under his belt as well, ask him if he wants to box you. And how about Antonio Rogiera Nogueira who competes with the Brazilian National Boxing Team, well he just got KTFO by a Judoka from Cameroon. Just about all MMA fighters train Western boxing just like you, some I am sure have been training longer and are more accomplished than you.

On to Bob Sapp, yes he beat Ernesto Hoost. Of course you know that was K-1 (kickboxing rules) not MMA rules. That was pretty much a freak thing though because for whatever reason Hoost just couldn't handle Sapp, but Crocop did make him cry though in under 2 minutes. Nowadays, no one is scared of Sapp anymore and he pretty much is considered a freakshow in the MMA community.

Just to clear it up a little, Rogerio Nogueira doesn't just train with the Brazilian National Team, he's the Brazillian national boxing champion and gold medalist in boxing in the South American Games. And yes, he did get KTFO by a Judoka in 20-ish seconds. Also, Crocop didn't just make Sapp cry, he broke his orbital with that punch.

But anywho, boxers would cave in most MMA fighters' faces in a boxing match, and mixed martial artists would slam most boxers onto the mat and pound them out/submit them in an MMA fight.

[GunStar]

Now Gunstar1, I have some news for ya...... you have no idea what you are talking about. Ever hear of Yosuke Nishijima? Former WBF Cruiserweight Champ? Well he is currently 0-4 in MMA competition. That is right a boxer..... beaten by pure mixed martial artists including a Judo gold medalist who still wears a gi in the ring and looks like he is casting a spell when he punches.
Call Jeff Monson, a great grapple and MMA fighter has a few pro boxing bouts under his belt as well, ask him if he wants to box you. And how about Antonio Rogiera Nogueira who competes with the Brazilian National Boxing Team, well he just got KTFO by a Judoka from Cameroon. Just about all MMA fighters train Western boxing just like you, some I am sure have been training longer and are more accomplished than you.

On to Bob Sapp, yes he beat Ernesto Hoost. Of course you know that was K-1 (kickboxing rules) not MMA rules. That was pretty much a freak thing though because for whatever reason Hoost just couldn't handle Sapp, but Crocop did make him cry though in under 2 minutes. Nowadays, no one is scared of Sapp anymore and he pretty much is considered a freakshow in the MMA community.

To say something like this doesn't happen in boxing isn't exactly true. Up until last week WBA's heavyweight champ was a gigantic, hairy neanderthal of a Russian man named Valuev, who really didn't have that much skill ( No disrespect to him personally, I hear he is a nice guy) I watched the last 5 rounds of that fight, and let me tell you it was a little ugly and sloppy looking.

Point is boxers would get beat in MMA and Mixed martial artists would get beat in a boxing ring. Plain and simple, but some of you really need to research this a little more. The stand-up game is completely different, you factor in takedown defense, kicks (high and low), knees and throws from the clinch, and smaller gloves, the stand-up is just different in MMA

My point is many of the top MMA champions never boxed in their life, so I'm saying that a non-professional boxer can beat these guys in the ring and I'm willing to prove this point to the world, so any of you guys want to get in touch with me, I'm right here, just send me a PM and we make this happen!

I hate when you guys consider yourselves martial artists, because you're not one, you guys don't know **** about martial arts or boxing, you guys do a pretty bad job at both! The only thing you guys are good in is a little wrestling and take downs which any idiot can learn within a few months.

You guys claim that boxing is part of your combat, but the fact is none of your top MMA guys can box, they can lose in a boxing ring by a bum non-professional boxer, that's my point!