The Miguel Cotto Question

[Addison]

I missed this thread somehow. We will see in June Addison. If Cotto loses Ill own up, eventhough I never hyped him up to anything. I just defend him is all.

I hear you. This is a rare opportunity to cut heads.

I just hope it isn't mine.

Some of my closest commrades have Cotto all the way.

I'm definately in the minority.

If Cotto wins I'll be happy for the man, and his supporters who have taken a lot of crap and stood strong.

It's nothing great for boxing if Zab wins.

I know that.

But it's a jungle, and only the beast deserves to win.

We'll have to see who that beast is..

I still have the odds-on underdog, that's all that matters to me here.

[AlienTanks]

He has hand picked his opponents, it's no coincidence that his opponents have been feather fisted since his fight with Torres.

You are talking out the side of your neck.

The only feather fisted fool he faught after Torres was the ***** boy Paulie Malignaggi. Cotto has been working a very long time in his quest for greatness. A final showdown against PBF. We all know the beef with Arum and Floyd.
Cotto is to Arum what Jermain Taylor was to Lou Da'Bully in the Taylor/Hopkins dispute.
Arum seen something special in Cotto as he seen in Floyd. Arum has a decent intuition when it comes to fighters/prospects/contenders/and would be champions. Arum has been in the business since the 80's and he has done a pretty decent job.
Bob Arum has pit Cotto against some pretty decent opposition. Cotto has faught every style known to man and has come out on top.
Cotto moved up in weight and faught the FEATHER fisted Carlos Quintana W 23 (18 ko's)

Shut the hell up and sit the hell down.

I dedicate the following song to you:
"Talkin' out the side of your neck"
By: Cameo

The other feather fisted fighter Cotto faught after Torres was a mandatory in Oktay Urkal but what Oktay lacks in punch, he makes up for in the toughness dept. Urkal has only been stopped once by Vivian Harris who knocked Urkal's nose into his skull in the 11th round. Not even a prime Kostya Tszyu was able to take out Urkal in 2001. Urkal is just tough as nails.

The question was? Is Miguel Cotto truly the next "Superstar?"
To me the kid is already a superstar. His name comes up all the time.
Cotto will be a force to be reckon with for at least another 7 years.
His best is yet to come.
Get on the Cotto Express and enjoy the ride. Welter Weights are going to be getting owned by Cotto for years to come.
Judah will be a good test for Cotto. After Judah, the testing will be over and Cotto can look forward to taking peoples belts/unifying and later become undisputed champion.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Coddled? Haha, I gues in Mexico they throw their tough guys into 18 wheelers to make sure they are men. Coddled? Are you 14 years old and just saw your first fight an hour ago?

First off , I'm 34 not 14 and you shouldn't get so emotional. I never said that PR didn't have great fighters just that they tend to "coddle" them a little. Heres a little about the Oscar vs Tito fight:
"In the spring of 1999, Trinidad's patience finally paid off when his promoter, Don King, and Oscar de la Hoya's promoter, Bob Arum, agreed to co-promote a mega-fight for the WBC and IBF Welterweight Championships on September 18, 1999 at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. The historic contest was deemed Fight of the Millennium, but despite the anticipation of a classic battle, the fight itself was non-descript. De la Hoya quickly established technical superiority in what was largely a tactical bout. He outboxed Trinidad for most of the first nine rounds. Believing, as did many boxing critics, that he had an insurmountable lead, De la Hoya ceded the final three rounds to Trinidad, who still struggled to land any telling blows on De la Hoya. After 12 rounds, Trinidad was awarded a majority decision. After the fight, Trinidad was given an historic welcome at Puerto Rico's Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport."

Tito was managed very carefully in his career to set that fight up with Oscar and anyone who knows boxing knows that. I'm not saying it's wrong from a business standpoint but in the grand scheme of things, I don't beleive Tito will be remembered as great of a fighter as Oscar will be.

You want me to tell you about Salvador Sanchez vs Wilfredo Gomez? Or Julio Ceasar Chavez vs Edwin "chapo" Rosario? I can go on and on beleive me, Mexican fighter have faired alot better in title fights vs Puerto Rican fighters, look it up.

Mexican fighter fight so often because they are hungry, they come from a third world nation and dont have the luxury of having the US back them economicaly.

I'm not trying to offend you, or any other PR in this forum. I'm just saying that the question is still out there on Cotto, we can't just call him a super star until he beats the top names in his division. Judah will be a good start for him. I have much respect for a country as samll as PR to put out so many good fighters.

[freedom213]

I hear you. This is a rare opportunity to cut heads.

I just hope it isn't mine.

Some of my closest commrades have Cotto all the way.

I'm definately in the minority.

If Cotto wins I'll be happy for the man, and his supporters who have taken a lot of crap and stood strong.

It's nothing great for boxing if Zab wins.

I know that.

But it's a jungle, and only the beast deserves to win.

We'll have to see who that beast is..

I still have the odds-on underdog, that's all that matters to me here.

The thing is the only way this fight will probably disappoint will be If Cotto gets blown out, this could be a fight for both of these guys to shine if they both want it bad. If Zab gets blown out I will be a little disappointed also.Mainly because I really do think he is a top Welter somewhat because it will probably signal a true decline in his abilities. This is truly a good match up tho and should tell us something about both guys.

[machotime]

First off , I'm 34 not 14 and you shouldn't get so emotional. I never said that PR didn't have great fighters just that they tend to "coddle" them a little. Heres a little about the Oscar vs Tito fight:
"In the spring of 1999, Trinidad's patience finally paid off when his promoter, Don King, and Oscar de la Hoya's promoter, Bob Arum, agreed to co-promote a mega-fight for the WBC and IBF Welterweight Championships on September 18, 1999 at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas. The historic contest was deemed Fight of the Millennium, but despite the anticipation of a classic battle, the fight itself was non-descript. De la Hoya quickly established technical superiority in what was largely a tactical bout. He outboxed Trinidad for most of the first nine rounds. Believing, as did many boxing critics, that he had an insurmountable lead, De la Hoya ceded the final three rounds to Trinidad, who still struggled to land any telling blows on De la Hoya. After 12 rounds, Trinidad was awarded a majority decision. After the fight, Trinidad was given an historic welcome at Puerto Rico's Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport."

Tito was managed very carefully in his career to set that fight up with Oscar and anyone who knows boxing knows that. I'm not saying it's wrong from a business standpoint but in the grand scheme of things, I don't beleive Tito will be remembered as great of a fighter as Oscar will be.

You want me to tell you about Salvador Sanchez vs Wilfredo Gomez? Or Julio Ceasar Chavez vs Edwin "chapo" Rosario? I can go on and on beleive me, Mexican fighter have faired alot better in title fights vs Puerto Rican fighters, look it up.

Mexican fighter fight so often because they are hungry, they come from a third world nation and dont have the luxury of having the US back them economicaly.

I'm not trying to offend you, or any other PR in this forum. I'm just saying that the question is still out there on Cotto, we can't just call him a super star until he beats the top names in his division. Judah will be a good start for him. I have much respect for a country as samll as PR to put out so many good fighters.

What a horribly biased assesment. Statistically per capita, Puerto Rico produces more champs than any other country in the world.

Tito was managed carefully??? how about your boy DLH who didn't fight fighters until they were exposed, most of which were exposed by TIto and demolished by Tito.

Vargas, Campas, Carr, and Mayorga, were never the same after Tito, and DLH didnt fight those fighters until Tito demolished them.

ANd yes Sanchez was great, but who is considered greater Gomez or Sal? Who accomplished more? Yes Sal died in his prime, but that is just too bad, he did not complete what Bazooka did.

[PapiShasho]

Absolutely Cotto has the potential to be a superstar...his flaws are what makes him so exciting to watch. He has the heart of a champion and even though he's been in trouble in some fights, he always crushes his opponents for the most part.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

What a horribly biased assesment. Statistically per capita, Puerto Rico produces more champs than any other country in the world.

Tito was managed carefully??? how about your boy DLH who didn't fight fighters until they were exposed, most of which were exposed by TIto and demolished by Tito.

Vargas, Campas, Carr, and Mayorga, were never the same after Tito, and DLH didnt fight those fighters until Tito demolished them.

ANd yes Sanchez was great, but who is considered greater Gomez or Sal? Who accomplished more? Yes Sal died in his prime, but that is just too bad, he did not complete what Bazooka did.

When in that entire post did you read me saying that Puerto Ricans weren't good fighters? Please tell me because I missed it. I understand that PR fighters coming from such a small island is impressive how many champions they have produced. My statement was how they have done vs Mexicans in TITLE FIGHTSI don't know where you get that Oscar fought opponents that were past their prime or "exposed" by Tito when he fought them, LOL. Look at the quality of fighters Oscar has fought and look at Tito and theres no comparison. Oscar fought everyone and won in 5 different weight classes. Look I'm not here to make this a PR vs Mexico thing because Im not. I was just making a point based on an earlier post that was just bogus. People get way to emmotional over this subject and can't talk about it in a sensible way.

[Deeznuts]

Just wondering what comparrison can you make between Oscar and Felix. Oscar did fight fighters that Felix totally blew out..........or didn't he?

[toyboy33]

Of course he has the potential, but I don't think he will be. To me he doesn't have the intangibles superstars possess, personality, controversy, exciting style or crossover appeal. Outside of Puerto Rico he's not that big, yet. It helps that he's got HBO, though. I like watching him, but unless he fights a Hatton or Mayweather caliber fighter I'll just download his fights or watch the free ones televised.

[Addison]

Of course he has the potential, but I don't think he will be. To me he doesn't have the intangibles superstars possess, personality, controversy, exciting style or crossover appeal. Outside of Puerto Rico he's not that big, yet. It helps that he's got HBO, though. I like watching him, but unless he fights a Hatton or Mayweather caliber fighter I'll just download his fights or watch the free ones televised.

That can disappear in a heartbeat.

It already did for him once already..