Do you think Joe Calzaghe is ducking Kessler??

[IchiBonDj]

It's hard to believe that someone is going after "Bernard Hopkins" to duck someone else, just my opinion.

[SHB]

The point, which most people seem to have overlooked, is that Kessler doesn't really offer anything to Calzaghe ... certainly not when compared to Hopkins, Taylor or Wright.

It's quite ironic really. Calzaghe makes a career about beating up the "next big things" from around Europe and was previously criticised for not going after the superfights against the americans. Now it's the other way around. You have to laugh.

Saying that, if a fight doesn't come off against the three americans mentioned next and he stays at SMW (which he might not and he probably shouldn't - can't help feeling he'd be much more effective at LHW) then it'd be a cop out not to try and fight Kessler next. Although I gather agreeing terms with them if often difficult.

[.Mik.]

Every day this forum hits new disappointing lows.

How can Calzaghe be 'ducking' Kessler when he is actively making fights with bigger fighters? As number 2 in the rankings, why is Kessler not fighting the other top guys? The Lacys, the Frochs, the Butes? That is how he makes himself a more credible opponent. That is how he makes himself a marketable star who could come close to giving Calzaghe the type of money he'll get from fighting Hopkins, Wright or Taylor. This is how he puts a little something behind his shouts of calling out Calzaghe. Fighting some random top 10 fighter who NOBODY gives any chance in the fight only seems to work in convincing the morons on this forum that you are the real deal.

Seriously, this place is a joke sometimes.

Calzaghe has fought people at Kessler's current perceived level all of his career and never gotten any credit for it. Why should he do it again?

[larrytyson]

I know Kessler been calling Joe out for a long time but Joe gives different reasons for not fighting Kessler.

In your honest opinion do you think Joe is avoiding Mikkel Kessler??

Kessler owns two of the 3 major belts, the WBC and the WBA, so why this fight isn't happening??

I don't think Joe is ducking him! I would like Kessler to beat IBF champion and become undisputed champ then we will see is Joe interested in fighting him! Right now there isn't money in it I think!

[The Noose]

If Kessler has been calling out Calzaghe for years, that suggests to me that Calzaghe is the big name, and he feels he doesnt really need Kessler.
He wants to fight one of the big american fighters.

Its not a case of Calzaghe 'ducking' Kessler, but of how lucrative fights with other big names would be.

Is Kessler big in America or the UK?
I would say no.

[Peder]

Every day this forum hits new disappointing lows.

How can Calzaghe be 'ducking' Kessler when he is actively making fights with bigger fighters? As number 2 in the rankings, why is Kessler not fighting the other top guys? The Lacys, the Frochs, the Butes? That is how he makes himself a more credible opponent. That is how he makes himself a marketable star who could come close to giving Calzaghe the type of money he'll get from fighting Hopkins, Wright or Taylor. This is how he puts a little something behind his shouts of calling out Calzaghe. Fighting some random top 10 fighter who NOBODY gives any chance in the fight only seems to work in convincing the morons on this forum that you are the real deal.

Seriously, this place is a joke sometimes.

Calzaghe has fought people at Kessler's current perceived level all of his career and never gotten any credit for it. Why should he do it again?

Kessler just took care of WBC#1??
Before that, the WBC champ.

JC talked about Hopkins, but is it happening? Then he talked about how Taylor isn't ready..

Random top 10 - Isn't that Bika and Manfredo?

Ducking or not.. He neds to fight someone.. Nobody would claim he was ducking Kessler if he faces Hopkins, Wright or Taylor.. But he has only talked about it.

[hugh grant]

No i dont think Joe is ducking kessler. Joe has been wanting to create a stir in America and he cant put that off any longer. He wants the Americans now. He also wants the defence record i think. Maybe he will go back for Kessler. Who really knows what the future holds?

And to be fair to Joe....i have only recently found out who Kessler is! I am not saying Kessler isnt very good, but i havent even really known about him for long so i wouldnt know if joe was ducking him. I dont know the history between these 2.

[.Mik.]

Kessler just took care of WBC#1??
Before that, the WBC champ.

JC talked about Hopkins, but is it happening? Then he talked about how Taylor isn't ready..

Random top 10 - Isn't that Bika and Manfredo?

Ducking or not.. He neds to fight someone.. Nobody would claim he was ducking Kessler if he faces Hopkins, Wright or Taylor.. But he has only talked about it.

Do me a favour mate. Do you really consider Andrade to be a top 5 opponent out there for Kessler? Dont throw rankings around, we all know how meaningless they can be from organisation to organisation.

Calzaghe is trying to make fights with Hopkins, Wright and Taylor. That obviously isnt going to happen before he even fights with Manfredo. So why not wait a couple of weeks after he has fought Manfredo until we say those fights arent going to happen. Which boxers ever announce their fights before taking care of the one at hand? Answer: None.

[Peder]

Do me a favour mate. Do you really consider Andrade to be a top 5 opponent out there for Kessler? Dont throw rankings around, we all know how meaningless they can be from organisation to organisation.

Calzaghe is trying to make fights with Hopkins, Wright and Taylor. That obviously isnt going to happen before he even fights with Manfredo. So why not wait a couple of weeks after he has fought Manfredo until we say those fights arent going to happen. Which boxers ever announce their fights before taking care of the one at hand? Answer: None.

Based on what fights would you regard Froch over Andrade?
Do you think Bika and Manfredo are top 5?? I don't get it..

But, yes.. Can't wait until this joke is over, and JC hopefully takes on a real proved fighter..

[dumdane]

Every day this forum hits new disappointing lows.

Don't go to other boxing forums. I can name a few places where Calzaghe gets less respect and where the hardcore Calzaghe hugger contingent is far fewer.

How can Calzaghe be 'ducking' Kessler when he is actively making fights with bigger fighters?

All we hear is talk - we've not seen any yet. And in any event - who are those fighters you call "bigger"? "bigger" in what way?

As number 2 in the rankings, why is Kessler not fighting the other top guys? The Lacys, the Frochs, the Butes?

Look over Kessler's past 5 opponents (his championship fights) Except Lucas they've all been ranked top 5 by the Ring (at time of fights). Now Kessler couldn't fight himself and neither Calzaghe nor Lacy would get anywhere near him. So in reality that has only left two options inside top five for each of those fights. Four times out of five Kessler has fought one of those two options. Lucas was just a little further down the rankings. So to say Kessler hasn't been fighting the other contenders is just BS. He's fought the best available.
Bute is a newcommer to the top - even his fans suggest he should wait another year before taking on the likes of Kessler. And to suggest Kessler should have fought Froch in order to be worthy of a shot at Calzaghe is just so plain ridiculous you have to be british to not almost break down and cry.

Calzaghe has fought people at Kessler's current perceived level all of his career and never gotten any credit for it. Why should he do it again?

Has he now?
How manny undefeated has he fought?
How manny of his opponents have fought and beat five current or former WC's (with one of the four major org's) - and that excludes Mundine, who only had a WBA "regular" belt.
How manny of his opponents have lost less than 5 rounds over their entire careers (up to the date of the fight)?
How manny of his oppnents have had no less than four WC defences?
How many of those fighters have remained ranked (by the ring) just behind Calzaghe for more than three years?
How manny of those oppenent are have been regularly tipped to have a good chance of beating Calzaghe - by a wide range of boxing writers and observers?

For each question you can possibly come up with a few names from Calzaghe's list of opponents. But no name will show up for each question. Kessler's would.

Yet you choose to pretend Kessler is less of a challenge than other names on Calzaghe's resume.
Obviously you WANT to believe that Calzaghe is untouchable. And you're desperately trying to close your eyes to the realities of the outside world.
So you keep pretending "Kessler is just another..." - but there are no others of that calibre on that list of yours.
All so you can keep trying to convince yourself (and others) that there's nooooo reason Calzaghe should fight Kessler. Again so you won't risk seeing your precious illussion shattered.