Floyd Mayweather ATG skills?

**kayjay** · 03-23-2007, 01:50 PM

I don't know what everyone means when they say 'skills'. You at least give examples. Do the Floyd fans know what they mean when they say that? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a pretty empty term the way it's used around here, I don't pay too much attention to it.

**EMPOROAR** · 03-23-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by kayjay

I don't know what everyone means when they say 'skills'. You at least give examples. Do the Floyd fans know what they mean when they say that? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a pretty empty term the way it's used around here, I don't pay too much attention to it.

I am talking about an overall talent level. When you say a guy has skills in the gym it means he usually has a great jab, good combination puncher, can hit and not get hit, good footwork, can cut off the ring. Floyd has great skills but the overall packages that were Whitaker, Toney, Duran were much better, IMO.

**KoolWillie** · 03-23-2007, 01:56 PM

I disagree, not only because I'm a floyd fan... Floyd is a natural athlete is been trained since day 1 he was born too fight, as you would know the mayweather family, You havent made one point in that post of yours other than comparing the size of pernells opponent too the opponent floyd has fought. btw pernell couldnt knock Roger Mayweather out and look at floyds skill compared too what Uncles Rogers where.

**kayjay** · 03-23-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by EMPOROAR

I am talking about an overall talent level. When you say a guy has skills in the gym it means he usually has a great jab, good combination puncher, can hit and not get hit, good footwork, can cut off the ring. Floyd has great skills but the overall packages that were Whitaker, Toney, Duran were much better, IMO.

Those are examples of some basic boxing skills. But that is not what people mean when they say Floyd has great skills (his jab and combination punching are not unusually great, for example). I don't know exactly what they mean. Sometimes it's not easy to pinpoint where a fighter excels.

**EMPOROAR** · 03-23-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by MayweatherJR

I disagree, not only because I'm a floyd fan... Floyd is a natural athlete is been trained since day 1 he was born too fight, as you would know the mayweather family, You havent made one point in that post of yours other than comparing the size of pernells opponent too the opponent floyd has fought. btw pernell couldnt knock Roger Mayweather out and look at floyds skill compared too what Uncles Rogers where.

The Mayweather family is good but very overated. The Spinks family is certainly much better. Woudln't you agree? I don't hear people raving about Spink's skills - he certainly comes from an incredible background. I tell ya, it's all due to Mayweathers self promotion and his PR team. They are an annoying bunch.

And it is easy to show your skills against limited opposition. Pernell fought the best of the best from 135 to 147. Who could forget Pernell just beating the piss out of a 6'0'' Mcgirt (Whitaker is 5'6'' by the way) in the first fight. The second fight he stood his ground and traded with Mcgirt. It was a much closer fight then anticipated. Or the fight against Chavez? Tell me some fighters who won 10 rounds against a prime Chavez? Even the coked out Pernell Whitaker made, at the very least, a close fight with a raw, hungry Oscar DelaHoya. Floyd didn't even fight the top guys at his best weight.

And Roger was an incredible offensive fighter, btw. Great combination puncher. It is your overall package that makes you a great pro. Not just great skills. Roger obviously had alot of weaknesses but his skillset was good.

**niceguy45** · 03-23-2007, 02:07 PM

floyd got skills against opp. that doesn't have any, IMO floyds debut will be on May 5th, lol it's a saying but close enough

**gixxer** · 03-23-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by EMPOROAR

I am sick of this talk of Floyd Mayweather's skills. People talk like he has the greatest skills of all time....his skills are nowhere near Pernell Whitaker's. Mayweather could of fought Freitas and Casamayor who are interesting style matchups but he never chose too. Whitaker fought the much better opposition and he challenged himself even at the lighter weights. Guys like Ramirez, Haugen, Chavez, Mcgirt - All bigger guys and Whitaker handled them easy.

I really dont see what all the fuss is about in terms of Floyd's skills? I truly believe people rate his skills high because of that ****** shoulder roll. Or maybe it is because of his speed as compared to most fighters. Guys like Duran and Toney weren't great speedsters but they had much more skills like head feints, foot feints, inside upperbody movement.The media and Floyd's PR have really blown that shoulder roll out of proportion.

Fighter's like Whitaker were certainly much more skillful. Duran had more skills. Look at his masterful performances against De Jesus, Leonard, Barkley, hell even that up and comer Davey Moore he beat up pretty good...and that guy was a solid, solid fighter. Toney has better skills...look at the job he did to Barkley. Tszyu had great skills - maybe not on Floyd's level but he is near.

Agree?Disagree?

AGREE ALL THE WAY WITH YOU

**cortdawg25** · 03-23-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by EMPOROAR

I am sick of this talk of Floyd Mayweather's skills. People talk like he has the greatest skills of all time....his skills are nowhere near Pernell Whitaker's. Mayweather could of fought Freitas and Casamayor who are interesting style matchups but he never chose too. Whitaker fought the much better opposition and he challenged himself even at the lighter weights. Guys like Ramirez, Haugen, Chavez, Mcgirt - All bigger guys and Whitaker handled them easy.

I really dont see what all the fuss is about in terms of Floyd's skills? I truly believe people rate his skills high because of that ****** shoulder roll. Or maybe it is because of his speed as compared to most fighters. Guys like Duran and Toney weren't great speedsters but they had much more skills like head feints, foot feints, inside upperbody movement.The media and Floyd's PR have really blown that shoulder roll out of proportion.

Fighter's like Whitaker were certainly much more skillful. Duran had more skills. Look at his masterful performances against De Jesus, Leonard, Barkley, hell even that up and comer Davey Moore he beat up pretty good...and that guy was a solid, solid fighter. Toney has better skills...look at the job he did to Barkley. Tszyu had great skills - maybe not on Floyd's level but he is near.

Agree?Disagree?

he tried to make fights with them at 135 but they didn't want it. hell they don't even want to fight each other and both of those guys got beat up by Corrales. Me personally I woul dhave loved for him to fight casamoyer back then, Floyd struggled with lefty's then, but now their is no chance in hell Casaamoyer even touches him. And as far as your greats list up above, the only 1 really capable of contending with Floyd is pernell. Duran and the buddy mcgirt would get arturo Gatti-ed. SRL showed you how to beat Duan the No mas fight!

**kayjay** · 03-23-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by cortdawg25

he tried to make fights with them at 135 but they didn't want it. hell they don't even want to fight each other and both of those guys got beat up by Corrales. Me personally I woul dhave loved for him to fight casamoyer back then, Floyd struggled with lefty's then, but now their is no chance in hell Casaamoyer even touches him. And as far as your greats list up above, the only 1 really capable of contending with Floyd is pernell. Duran and the buddy mcgirt would get arturo Gatti-ed. SRL showed you how to beat Duan the No mas fight!

Cortdawg,m that's ****ing ******ed. First of all, comparing Gatti to Duran is like comparing . . . I can't even think of an anaology that bad.

Second, even Leonard admits that fight doesn't count for ****, and that even on his best night he could not have beaten the Duran who beat him in MOntreal.

Floyd Mayweather ATG skills?