Has US boxing gone gay?

[Benny Leonard]

its a shame that the US boxing scene has been castrated by people like DOn King. in the 60's 70's US fighters, they used to go all over the world...now they are a bunch of whinging ******* who couldn`t touch Ali's skills or morales.

Thats why people like Roy jones are rich

Ali really did not have much of a choice at one point but to go overseas if I am not mistaken.

However, I agree, a "World Champion" should fight all over the World. It is still about Promoting the sport. I would not even harp on a Champion if he fought the local Champion because it was a low risk for the lower money, but in return made the sport and his name better known.

Wlad = real "World Champion"...the person also speaks many languages, that is impressive, although it is required more to learn more than one language when you are European.
For "Americans", it seems tough enough to learn English when your President cannot even speak it, let alone trying to learn Spanish.

[Benny Leonard]

Leonard, you fell right into his hands when you pointed out that Roy and Hopkins could make more money for easier fights, which is what they did. I'm not saying they would have lost, but I think it's nearly undeniable that their toughest fight was in Wales.

Many things we have to understand:

(1) Hopkins and Roy were still fighting bigger names.

(2), Roy and Hopkins ended up getting their "Man/payday."

Three: "America" is the Mecca of the sport, so why go anywhere else if you do not have to, and will most likely have to fight here anyway for the big fights.


Take Rome for example: Rome was the Mecca of the Gladiatorial games, so why fight in Morocco if you do not have to. Now, if you are not getting the names you need to get that future fight, yes, you go to Morocco and make a name for yourself.


Fighters from far away lands don't have to come here, but they also may not be able to build there name up and get the big fight for big money.


Hopkins however had his advantage with the Title. Now, one can argue, other Champions have gone overseas to fight, but Hopkins new that he did not have to go anywhere because when the time was right, he would get his Man, his Money, and have to fight in the States anyway for such a big fight with Tito, Oscar, and Taylor.
The Tito fight is a perfect example: Tito was the bigger name, not from the States, but where did Tito fight for the money? "America", Mecca of boxing. Of course, it helps that the States are populated with Puerto Ricans, but so are other nationalities.



For Roy:
Toney, Hopkins, and even Ruiz are better names than Joe has and will most likely ever have on his resume. Considering also that Roy moved up in weight and won titles, that is another point.



Quick point:

NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT JOE, but they know about Hopkins and Jones Jr.

Why? because "America" is or at least was the Mecca of boxing.

[gixxer]

Lacy had the balls to leave the US when Calzaghe wouldnt leave Wales. And everyone recognizes that win as his best, so give respect to Lacy.

true that that is so true.....he didint look that good against bika

[.Mik.]

Many things we have to understand:

(1) Hopkins and Roy were still fighting bigger names.

(2), Roy and Hopkins ended up getting their "Man/payday."

Three: "America" is the Mecca of the sport, so why go anywhere else if you do not have to, and will most likely have to fight here anyway for the big fights.


Take Rome for example: Rome was the Mecca of the Gladiatorial games, so why fight in Morocco if you do not have to. Now, if you are not getting the names you need to get that future fight, yes, you go to Morocco and make a name for yourself.


Fighters from far away lands don't have to come here, but they also may not be able to build there name up and get the big fight for big money.


Hopkins however had his advantage with the Title. Now, one can argue, other Champions have gone overseas to fight, but Hopkins new that he did not have to go anywhere because when the time was right, he would get his Man, his Money, and have to fight in the States anyway for such a big fight with Tito, Oscar, and Taylor.
The Tito fight is a perfect example: Tito was the bigger name, not from the States, but where did Tito fight for the money? "America", Mecca of boxing. Of course, it helps that the States are populated with Puerto Ricans, but so are other nationalities.



For Roy:
Toney, Hopkins, and even Ruiz are better names than Joe has and will most likely ever have on his resume. Considering also that Roy moved up in weight and won titles, that is another point.



Quick point:

NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT JOE, but they know about Hopkins and Jones Jr.

Why? because "America" is or at least was the Mecca of boxing.

Again though, you're talking JUST about money and profile and that should not be what boxing is about. Hopkins took easier fights for more money to fight a bigger name. 'Bigger name' does not mean 'more credible opponent'. In America Manfredo is probably a bigger name than Calzaghe.

[squealpiggy]

Take Rome for example: Rome was the Mecca of the Gladiatorial games, so why fight in Morocco if you do not have to.

Gladiators were ******. They fought wherever their masters wanted them to.

[.Mik.]

Yeah, I wasnt going to comment on the lame ancient history as it wasnt even slightly relevant to the discussion at hand.

[squealpiggy]

I tried hard not to but I just couldn't resist!

[deuce_drop]

none of the us fighters fight outside the US. They are all over protected bums.

Plus you guys have no white fighters worth a **** when that is the majority of your population...

is it genetic?

I think the americans have it too easy...look at Mayorga, the man fights like a man, and lives like one, not like that *** ***weather.

the united states is the big stage and the big show, this is where the world's top fighters come to display their skill, that's why Hatton has come to the US and that is why Lennox Lewis came to the US, all great Mexican fighters, Great philippine fighters, etc, they come to america to make it big.

i do believe that all fighters should fight abroad but when the world will come to you where the big stage is set, why go anywhere else.

basically what you're saying and doing is expressing hate for US and white fighters futher more showing off your small and limited intellect. plus every US fighter that has been an ametuer has fought overseas or has fought world class competition during their stint as an amatuer. it's not our fault the US is the place to make big money in boxing and where the rest of the world wants to showcase their skills, stop hating and go back to masturbating, because your approach to things is tired.

[brently1979]

It's just a money thing. Las Vegas is the home for boxing in a lot ways due to this fact. That's why fighters don't fight outside the US. If i had the chance to make $1 million or make $6 million. I'd take the $6 million.

[.Mik.]

the united states is the big stage and the big show, this is where the world's top fighters come to display their skill, that's why Hatton has come to the US and that is why Lennox Lewis came to the US, all great Mexican fighters, Great philippine fighters, etc, they come to america to make it big.

i do believe that all fighters should fight abroad but when the world will come to you where the big stage is set, why go anywhere else.

basically what you're saying and doing is expressing hate for US and white fighters futher more showing off your small and limited intellect. plus every US fighter that has been an ametuer has fought overseas or has fought world class competition during their stint as an amatuer. it's not our fault the US is the place to make big money in boxing and where the rest of the world wants to showcase their skills, stop hating and go back to masturbating, because your approach to things is tired.

Its not YOUR fault for anything, because you arent a top draw boxer nor are you a boxing promoter.

I cant see how in one sentence you can say "I do believe that all fighters should fight abroad" AND "why go anywhere else?" You answer your own question...because boxing fans believe they should.