Has US boxing gone gay?

[cwazz]

we dont want another jeff lacy incedent......................lol

Ha. Jeff Lacy created that incident himself. Got ****y and got caught. Give respect to Calzage. Roy Jones ducked him and B-Hop ducked him as well. For good reason.

[spittingmyteeth]

The best in the world come over here to fight.It's as simple as that.Why risk a ****ed up decision for less money somewhere else.?Do you understand?

yeah because the judging in the US is NEVER fixed

[-Antonio-]

Ha. Jeff Lacy created that incident himself. Got ****y and got caught. Give respect to Calzage. Roy Jones ducked him and B-Hop ducked him as well. For good reason.

Lacy had the balls to leave the US when Calzaghe wouldnt leave Wales. And everyone recognizes that win as his best, so give respect to Lacy.

[spittingmyteeth]

its a shame that the US boxing scene has been castrated by people like DOn King. in the 60's 70's US fighters, they used to go all over the world...now they are a bunch of whinging ******* who couldn`t touch Ali's skills or morales.

Thats why people like Roy jones are rich

[.Mik.]

The threadstarter makes a good point. IN the past the best U.S. fighters would go abroad and take on the world's best. Today's American fighters lack the ambition to do that. But to be fair, they don't need to financially. They can fight handpicked opponents twice per year and fight only in their own backyard.

Indeed, but the suggestion that its okay to do that in America for $6million, but its somehow not okay to do it in England and only pick up a measly $3 million (and lets be honest, when you're a multi-multi millionaire how much difference does that make exactly? Its not the same as Valuev who is probably earning 10 times more fighting in America than he did previously) makes it seem as though the only point in boxing is for money. Which raises some rather interesting questions.

Case study (I'm using commonly perceived examples for the purpose of discussion, this doesnt necessarily represent my own opinion) -

Roy Jones Jnr fought in his backyard, never fought the truly career-defining high level opponents and suffered a couple of knock out defeats.

Joe Calzaghe fought predominantly in his own backyard. Hasnt really fought the truly high level career-defining opponents and has remained undefeated so far in his career.

HOWEVER, RJJ fought for more money than Calzaghe, with bigger television audiences in the world boxing capital (bearing in mind the location still doesnt determine the quality of the opposition). Therefore, although Calzaghe has made a lot of money and is very comfortable and although they both never much left their own country...it is RJJ who deserves the greater accolades because, despite his defeats, he made more money.

I think thats a dangerous attitude personally.

[kayjay]

You're preaching to the choir, Miksterious. I don't think it's any better for an American to do that than it is for a Welshman. And when you have a guy like Calzaghe who doesn't seem to be interested in 'finer things', the difference in purses really doesn't matter.

Some American fans are hypocritical in this regard. But people need to learn to not worry about that.

[Konstantin]

Indeed, but the suggestion that its okay to do that in America for $6million, but its somehow not okay to do it in England and only pick up a measly $3 million (and lets be honest, when you're a multi-multi millionaire how much difference does that make exactly? Its not the same as Valuev who is probably earning 10 times more fighting in America than he did previously) makes it seem as though the only point in boxing is for money. Which raises some rather interesting questions.

Case study (I'm using commonly perceived examples for the purpose of discussion, this doesnt necessarily represent my own opinion) -

Roy Jones Jnr fought in his backyard, never fought the truly career-defining high level opponents and suffered a couple of knock out defeats.

Joe Calzaghe fought predominantly in his own backyard. Hasnt really fought the truly high level career-defining opponents and has remained undefeated so far in his career.

HOWEVER, RJJ fought for more money than Calzaghe, with bigger television audiences in the world boxing capital (bearing in mind the location still doesnt determine the quality of the opposition). Therefore, although Calzaghe has made a lot of money and is very comfortable and although they both never much left their own country...it is RJJ who deserves the greater accolades because, despite his defeats, he made more money.

I think thats a dangerous attitude personally.

I dont think RJJ get more praise because of the money he made. The biggest reason he is more known is simply because he was in the media more often than Calzaggy.

That and he moved up in wieght to win world titles in different classes including heavyweight and has a few more notable names on his resume.

[Benny Leonard]

Ha. Jeff Lacy created that incident himself. Got ****y and got caught. Give respect to Calzage. Roy Jones ducked him and B-Hop ducked him as well. For good reason.

LOL..who is Joe Calzaghe to demand Roy to come to the Island?

For Hopkins, Tito, Oscar, and even his fights with Taylor made him more money.

Hopkins may have not moved up, but neither did Joe. Joe could of moved up and tried to get a fight with Roy Jones Jr., who I like to point out, moved up from 160, so no "he is in the next division up"

For Lacy, he was overrated. People love to think they are watching the next "great", but they fool themselves when they by into what the Promoters want you to buy into.

Same happened with Hatton vs. Tszyu: when Tszyu came back he was the underdog vs. Mitchell, and why? because he was past his prime, coming off of two serious injuries, and didn't look so hot vs. Jesse James Leija.
So what happned? People thought Tszyu wasn't going to win and all of a sudden he blows out Mitchell, who I like to add was scared ****less before the fight even started, and BAM! everybody jumps on "Tszyu is back"...but why? the fight was so short it didn't test Tszyu's stamina, nor was it that impressive when you are fighting a fighter that was scared to death before it even started.

Getting back to Joe, he decides now to step up when Roy is out of the way, BRAVO.

[Benny Leonard]

yeah because the judging in the US is NEVER fixed

Fixing is everywhere, agree.

Fixing or just bad judging, pick your poison.

[kayjay]

Leonard, you fell right into his hands when you pointed out that Roy and Hopkins could make more money for easier fights, which is what they did. I'm not saying they would have lost, but I think it's nearly undeniable that their toughest fight was in Wales.