How will Oscar get through Mayweathers defence?

[shawn_]

I disagree. Floyd has never been with anyone as big as Oscar, and Oscar has one of the most brutal left hooks this side of Felix Trinidad. Most of Floyds fights revolve around his ability to use his right hand lead like a jab.

I personaly believe that if Oscar can time the left hook over Floyds right he will make the night very difficult for Floyd. Even if he does not knock Floyd out with it, I think it will bother Floyd enough to force him to fight outside of his game plan. That is why I think this fight has a good chance of ending up like Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton.

Ken Norton exploited Muhammad Alis weakness in a way other fighters neglected to. He took Ali out of his game plan, and arguable beat him in 2 out of 3 fights that they had.

Norton’s trainer Eddie Futch said, (In The Corner p. 233-235), “The jab was a big reason Muhammad Ali never figured out why he had so much trouble with Ken Norton in their three fights.” Futch instructed Norton, “Keep your right hand high. His jab will pop into the middle of your glove and then your jab will come right down the pipe…that is what destroyed Ali’s rhythm.”

This is the same thing that Oscar timing the hook over Floyds right hand will do. If Oscar can time the left hook over the right, he has a very good chance of winning the fight. If he cant, I honestly cannot see him outpointing or outworking Floyd.

Floyd is simply in astonishing condition, ALL the time. He is a gym rat, in the mold of fighters such as Holyfield and Marciano.

[BigCol]

I disagree. Floyd has never been with anyone as big as Oscar, and Oscar has one of the most brutal left hooks this side of Felix Trinidad. Most of Floyds fights revolve around his ability to use his right hand lead like a jab.

I personaly believe that if Oscar can time the left hook over Floyds right he will make the night very difficult for Floyd. Even if he does not knock Floyd out with it, I think it will bother Floyd enough to force him to fight outside of his game plan. That is why I think this fight has a good chance of ending up like Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton.

Ken Norton exploited Muhammad Alis weakness in a way other fighters neglected to. He took Ali out of his game plan, and arguable beat him in 2 out of 3 fights that they had.

Norton’s trainer Eddie Futch said, (In The Corner p. 233-235), “The jab was a big reason Muhammad Ali never figured out why he had so much trouble with Ken Norton in their three fights.” Futch instructed Norton, “Keep your right hand high. His jab will pop into the middle of your glove and then your jab will come right down the pipe…that is what destroyed Ali’s rhythm.”

This is the same thing that Oscar timing the hook over Floyds right hand will do. If Oscar can time the left hook over the right, he has a very good chance of winning the fight. If he cant, I honestly cannot see him outpointing or outworking Floyd.

Floyd is simply in astonishing condition, ALL the time. He is a gym rat, in the mold of fighters such as Holyfield and Marciano.

It would be extremely one dimensional for DLH to work on countering the right hand lead in the gym. Why? Because Floyd does not do that every fight. Against Baldomir, he did. Why? Because Floyd tried to be a showman. He fought alot like Roy Jones Jr...but with more dipping and weaving. He fought Corrales a different way. Backed up...circled away from Corrales power hand (his right) and exposed Corrales flaw where he throws a wide left hook. That is why he jabbed to the body.

Point is, it is not that simple as just working on timing the right hand. Floyd has shown us enough times that he also adapts well and uses different styles vs. different opponents.

[shawn_]

I dont think and analogy can be drawn to the Corrales fight. That fight took place at 130lb. This fight is taking place at 154. I believe the best marker of what a fighter will do in his next fight is his last fight.

While Floyd is still significantly faster than Oscar, he is not as fast as he was at 130lb. He demonstrated this vs Baldomir. With bigger guys, Floyd seems to rely alot more heavily on his right hand lead. It is his bread and butter.

Nobody, and I mean nobody can throw a right hand lead like mayweather. That alone should be enough reason for Oscar to train to take it away from Floyd.

[BigCol]

I dont think and analogy can be drawn to the Corrales fight. That fight took place at 130lb. This fight is taking place at 154. I believe the best marker of what a fighter will do in his next fight is his last fight.

While Floyd is still significantly faster than Oscar, he is not as fast as he was at 130lb. He demonstrated this vs Baldomir. With bigger guys, Floyd seems to rely alot more heavily on his right hand lead. It is his bread and butter.

Nobody, and I mean nobody can throw a right hand lead like mayweather. That alone should be enough reason for Oscar to train to take it away from Floyd.

What a lame response. yeah, the fights all about the right hand. Shut up dummy. I've had enough of this one-dimensional talk.

[shawn_]

Im not saying that should be Oscars only fight plan, but it is the best concievable chance for him to beat Mayweather. If Mayweather doesnt throw the right hand leads, Oscar will not be fast enough to catch Floyd. Floyd could very easily run and jab to the body and win a decision, but I think he might develope a case of Shane Mosley syndrome with the weight gain.

[Buckfever]

I'm picking Floyd. But I'm figuring what Oscar needs to do, is indeed work the jab, stay on the outside and counter, and see if he can catch him. Oscar is a great finisher.

If Oscar goes after him and tries to break his defense, IMO Oscar loses badly.

[Undefeated]

Combinations combinations! DLH can do it. Work to the body and up.

[Mike_R]

can floyd rock oscar with one punch? no.

can oscar afford to take a shot here and there for his more important punches to land on floyd? easy.

oscar's attrition is the only thing that's gonna get him an L. if he can stay loose for the whole fight floyd is going to feel some power he's never had to deal with. but if the workrate isn't there floyd can get him out of there in 10 or 11 rounds.

[Red_Menace]

Oscar should have a big reach advantage on Floyd. He should jab a lot and look to set up his left hook or right hand as Floyd tries to come inside. Floyd is going to have to reach to get inside on Oscar, as long as Oscar is not coming forward. I think Oscar will try to use lateral movement and keep just on the end of his jabbing range. If Oscar sticks too close to Floyd, he'll nullify his height/reach and Floyd will be able to use his superior handspeed and land body shots or quick combinations to win over the judges. Even though Oscar is bigger, I think he will be careful about when he chooses to engage.

[shawn_]

I think Floyd is a munch better puncher than people give him credit for, he just tends to break his hands when he loads up on a shot.