Pavlik is too raw for the top Middleweights

[kayjay]

Exacly,i dont see how Pavliks to raw for Miranda when Pavliks gota the better boxing skills,and the better defence,some people are just copying what Kellerman said about the LAPSES,but this is boxing,ur gna get hit sometimes,****,u shud b happy a guy his size and with his power has got good boxing skills and dont abandon it

Kellerman did talk about lapses, but that's not what threadstarter described nor is it what I mentioned.

Regarding Miranda: Pantera is perhaps more "raw" than Pavlik. Reread my earlier post (pg. 2) I think I addressed this point clearly. Miranda is the more gifted fighter though, and I would pick Miranda in a shootout over Pavlik.

[phallus]

In reality, the top middleweights (Taylor, Miranda, Abraham) are all very raw.

pavlik has less holes in his game than any of the above fighters... the only problem with pavlik is his lapses in defense. the kid is young - 24, i think a year and two or three fights against top 10 contenders will sharpen up his skills. this kid will be champ one day

[realheavyhands]

Yup, just like the title says. After watching two of Pavlik's fights (Zertuche and McKart), I was searching for a word to describe him. I didn't want to use amateurish, because that's not really it. He's just too raw and green and while he would have a puncher's chance against Abraham, Miranda, Wright, and Taylor, I doubt he'd be able to beat them more than 1 time out of 10. I'd pick any of those to beat Pavlik by UD (Taylor and Wright) or KO (Miranda and Abraham).

I'd love to see him fight either Miranda or Abraham just to get this guy off of everyone's hype list.

he is better techincally in his last fight then miranda and abrahm.. he was very good techincally in this last fight .. i think he has a good chance to beat any middle weight except winky wright

[PRboxingfan]

Yes, he is better technically than Miranda, that is for sure. However, Miranda's workrate, determination, heart, power, and accurate punches more than make up for his lack of boxing technique. While Miranda does not posses the best footwork or the best combinations in the division, he is still very exciting to watch (so is Pavlik, BTW).

I'd pay $50 to watch Miranda fight yet I wouldn't set my TiVo to watch Winky unless he's fighting someone else I want to see (like Jermain, Miranda, Pavlik, or Oscar).

[Atnan]

Yes, he is better technically than Miranda, that is for sure. However, Miranda's workrate, determination, heart, power, and accurate punches more than make up for his lack of boxing technique. While Miranda does not posses the best footwork or the best combinations in the division, he is still very exciting to watch (so is Pavlik, BTW).

I'd pay $50 to watch Miranda fight yet I wouldn't set my TiVo to watch Winky unless he's fighting someone else I want to see (like Jermain, Miranda, Pavlik, or Oscar).

I AGREE WITH YOU 10000%.....like i stated earlier in this thread.....the day winky retires or gets the **** outta the picture, the more exciting boxing will become....he is the cure to insomina! Miranda/pavlik has the fight of the CENTURY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT, yes i said century.....i dont think their is a possible exciting match up with the likes of winky wright, unless hes fight john ruiz lol

[tferguson]

You sure know how to pick the losers. I bet on Pavlick to ko Miranda.