Roy Jones Jr vs Sugar Ray Robinson at Middleweight - Who wins?

[Shanus]

Robinson by kayo; and here's why:

Jones's whole career was based on his incredible talents; he didn't "box", persay. He just "Roy'd" you to death. He was fast enough that he was able to get away with fundamental mistakes, such as leaping in with a hook or even an uppercut. Never, in his entire career, did he face someone as gifted as himself, or even someone gifted enough to make him pay for his sloppy technique. Yes, I know it didn't look "sloppy" when he did it because his phenomenal talents made him unique.

Here's the rub, though: Robinson was extremely fast, powerful, and accurate with his punches. He was able to knock out iron-chinned Gene Fulmer with one perfectly timed left hook at age 37. Now, while it's true that Fulmer was ponderous and no where near Jones in terms of speed, it is also true that Jones couldn't take a punch anywhere near as good as Fulmer....and he didn't have to for the longest time. It was only after age caught up with Jones that his reflexes betrayed him and Antonio Tarver put him out. I know this wasn't a prime Jones; but he had the same chin as a prime Jones becasue Roy had never taken that much punishment, so, in theory, if someone had ever been able to catch a prime Roy flush with the same type of shot that Antonio did, a prime Jones would also have trouble standing up. If anyone could catch a prime Jones, it would be a prime Robinson.

Another thing to consider is that Jones was still a green kid at Middleweight; he was only 23. So, if you take a Middleweight Jones, who had never been tested and put him in the ring with a savy Robinson who had beaten the best in the world at 147 and 160 for years, you have to see with whom the advantage would lie....Sugar Ray.

Jones would win several of the early rounds with his speed and flashy punches; but eventually Ray would figure him out and time him coming in, or just press him to the ropes, working his body and head alternately, depending upon whatever was open. Robinson was far more schooled that Roy is even today.....so, he eventually works through the flash and land the substance....right on the point of Jones chinny chin chin....and then, light out.

Robinson by 7th round K.O.....if that long.

I was favouring Jones before I read that, but it made me think.

Good post, it's a pity I can't give you karma.

[Konstantin]

then how do you explain Roys weak performance against Hopkins? And his unwillingness to fight some of the other top fighters of his time.

Its called a broken hand

[Run]

I'd say it comes down to a matter of judging standards and how long the fight would be. If it was a 12 round bout in modern Vegas....remember Jones is the most accurate puncher in the history of compubox and he went on a streak not even losing a single damn round. He's the most accurate puncher I've ever seen and could get away with throwing 1 punch at a time because of it.

Robinson wasn't the most accurate fighter, and he relied on throwing volumes of punches to barrage his opponents. If the fight was judged by the old time standards....he'd win the fight backing Roy up easily. I highly doubt Roy would stand and trade with him, because that would be doom.....and he'd fall on the cards if he showboated by doing the "game****" etc.

Who knows, but I'm picking Roy by decision. Only because SRR's best weight was at 147 and Roy fought way north of that most of his career, and I'd say he could get away with landing 1 punch at a time.



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[ferocity]

Its called a broken hand

What happened against Telesco, or McCallum? ****ing boring cautious boxing matchs by Roy. Roys hype, mixed in with some truth. He was a great fighter, had power. But refused to take on some tough opponets or what one thought could be tough opponets. Roy fights way too cautious against Ray.

[Super_Lightweight]

LOL!!!!! Do you hear yourself?! WTF???

Fine, you wanna believe that, go ahead.

If you want to believe that Robinson, a true welterweight who had 108 KOs in 173 wins has more power than a man who has to come down from 200+ lbs to make 175, then you can go ahead and believe that.

P4P, Robinson may have more power, but straight up?

No. Absolutely not. And his record against guys at 160+ backs that up.

[ferocity]

I'd say it comes down to a matter of judging standards and how long the fight would be. If it was a 12 round bout in modern Vegas....remember Jones is the most accurate puncher in the history of compubox and he went on a streak not even losing a single damn round. He's the most accurate puncher I've ever seen and could get away with throwing 1 punch at a time because of it.

Robinson wasn't the most accurate fighter, and he relied on throwing volumes of punches to barrage his opponents. If the fight was judged by the old time standards....he'd win the fight backing Roy up easily. I highly doubt Roy would stand and trade with him, because that would be doom.....and he'd fall on the cards if he showboated by doing the "game****" etc.

Who knows, but I'm picking Roy by decision. Only because SRR's best weight was at 147 and Roy fought way north of that most of his career, and I'd say he could get away with landing 1 punch at a time.

Ray could land the one punch at a time too. Nothing special about that, what special is the Ray had great timing with the one punch and great ko power with that one punch. With Roy, he used to throw it to keep his opponet at bay. He didnt' want to ko, cause he didn't want to get in a brawl. So he pity patted. And told his opponets, i'll hit you soft and you can go 12 rounds. Roy doesn't have the same fire Ray did, and if you're fighting Ray you better have a buring desire to win.

[Super_Lightweight]

He didnt' want to ko, cause he didn't want to get in a brawl. So he pity patted.

That is false. Sometimes roy held back on some shots to conserve energy, but he was very capable and often did throw very hard shots when he pot-shotted and in combos. Various fights can attest to this, such as vs Clinton Woods, John Ruiz, or Richard Hall.

Besides, at middleweight, Roy threw more combos than he did at 175. Potshots would not be as much of a factor.

[psychopath]

Ray could land the one punch at a time too. Nothing special about that, what special is the Ray had great timing with the one punch and great ko power with that one punch. With Roy, he used to throw it to keep his opponet at bay. He didnt' want to ko, cause he didn't want to get in a brawl. So he pity patted. And told his opponets, i'll hit you soft and you can go 12 rounds. Roy doesn't have the same fire Ray did, and if you're fighting Ray you better have a buring desire to win.

Stop halucinating kid, time to take your medicine.

[Run]

Ray could land the one punch at a time too. Nothing special about that, what special is the Ray had great timing with the one punch and great ko power with that one punch. With Roy, he used to throw it to keep his opponet at bay. He didnt' want to ko, cause he didn't want to get in a brawl. So he pity patted. And told his opponets, i'll hit you soft and you can go 12 rounds. Roy doesn't have the same fire Ray did, and if you're fighting Ray you better have a buring desire to win.

Roy has 38 knockouts in 50 fights, and I'd say he's not necessarily as feather fisted as you're making him out to be. Roy's "timing" is/was better than Robinson, and he's the more gifted fighter. Robinson was a great fighter, but this fight would take place at middleweight....far north of where Robinson's best was.



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[K-DOGG]

If you want to believe that Robinson, a true welterweight who had 108 KOs in 173 wins has more power than a man who has to come down from 200+ lbs to make 175, then you can go ahead and believe that.

P4P, Robinson may have more power, but straight up?

No. Absolutely not. And his record against guys at 160+ backs that up.

1. Ray had enough power to hurt Roy.

2. Robinson was on the same level as Louis when it came to finishing a hurt opponent.

3. Roy gets hurt......it's all over.