Roy Jones Jr vs Sugar Ray Robinson at Middleweight - Who wins?

[TheHoff'sGhost]

at middleweight i'd favour robinson to tko/ko jones late or win a ud.

at light heavy i think jones would probably get the ud though it wouldn't surprise me if ray got the decision either.

robinson fought at light heavy and was winning the fight quite comfortably untill he collapsed in the searing heat. he was also knocking guys out at middleweight who people thought couldn't be knocked out well past his prime.

so i can see him hurting jones at light heavy.

[K-DOGG]

Prime vs Prime...who wins this fight and how?

Robinson by kayo; and here's why:

Jones's whole career was based on his incredible talents; he didn't "box", persay. He just "Roy'd" you to death. He was fast enough that he was able to get away with fundamental mistakes, such as leaping in with a hook or even an uppercut. Never, in his entire career, did he face someone as gifted as himself, or even someone gifted enough to make him pay for his sloppy technique. Yes, I know it didn't look "sloppy" when he did it because his phenomenal talents made him unique.

Here's the rub, though: Robinson was extremely fast, powerful, and accurate with his punches. He was able to knock out iron-chinned Gene Fulmer with one perfectly timed left hook at age 37. Now, while it's true that Fulmer was ponderous and no where near Jones in terms of speed, it is also true that Jones couldn't take a punch anywhere near as good as Fulmer....and he didn't have to for the longest time. It was only after age caught up with Jones that his reflexes betrayed him and Antonio Tarver put him out. I know this wasn't a prime Jones; but he had the same chin as a prime Jones becasue Roy had never taken that much punishment, so, in theory, if someone had ever been able to catch a prime Roy flush with the same type of shot that Antonio did, a prime Jones would also have trouble standing up. If anyone could catch a prime Jones, it would be a prime Robinson.

Another thing to consider is that Jones was still a green kid at Middleweight; he was only 23. So, if you take a Middleweight Jones, who had never been tested and put him in the ring with a savy Robinson who had beaten the best in the world at 147 and 160 for years, you have to see with whom the advantage would lie....Sugar Ray.

Jones would win several of the early rounds with his speed and flashy punches; but eventually Ray would figure him out and time him coming in, or just press him to the ropes, working his body and head alternately, depending upon whatever was open. Robinson was far more schooled that Roy is even today.....so, he eventually works through the flash and land the substance....right on the point of Jones chinny chin chin....and then, light out.

Robinson by 7th round K.O.....if that long.

[ferocity]

Prime vs Prime...who wins this fight and how?

I just thought a little deeper. And well you said prime v. prime. Im not sure when Jones prime was. But they say Rays prime was at welterweight. And ive also heard how we really have never seen a prime Ray on video. So put that into account too.

And someone said Roy could have made welterweight, yeah right, he'd be dead weight at welterweight.

[boxer2k5]

Roy won the HW title...They were the same height but Roy's body was much bigger, he was pure muscle everywhere, and he was big enough to fight at Light Heavyweight/Heavyweight. At middleweight he had damn good speed and I would say he was something close to unbeatable in Super middleweight.

he won the heavyweight title afther puttin on muscle.
he wasnt a natrualy heavyweight though. and equipment and
suppliments and training is different from the 50s and present.
with ray skills and talen he would be able to do everything roy did
if he was boxing in present time. except he wouldnt have lsot to tarver.

roy and ray are both similar in size
the only difference is that roy has more muscle mass
and 2 inch longer reach.

[TheEvilSaint]

Prime vs Prime...who wins this fight and how?

........ very funny.

[ben41193]

Robinson is unbeatable at welterweight...How ever he could be beaten at middle weight by several former and maybe some current middleweights as well, so while not impossible for robinson to win I would bet on jones.

[Super_Lightweight]

Robinson does not have the KO power of someone like Tarver, who has to come down from 200+ lbs to make 175. Robinson has little to no chance of KOing Roy. Prime Roy's chin is not the same as 36 year old Roy's chin.

No former welterweight is going to KO Roy, at any weight, period.

Robinson would get hit at a higher clip in this fight more than in any other fight. No one is as accurate as Roy that Robinson fought. Due to the speed and toughness, Robinson would win some rounds but Roy would take the decision.

[K-DOGG]

Robinson does not have the KO power of someone like Tarver, who has to come down from 200+ lbs to make 175. Robinson has little to no chance of KOing Roy. Prime Roy's chin is not the same as 36 year old Roy's chin.

No former welterweight is going to KO Roy, at any weight, period.

Robinson would get hit at a higher clip in this fight more than in any other fight. No one is as accurate as Roy that Robinson fought. Due to the speed and toughness, Robinson would win some rounds but Roy would take the decision.

LOL!!!!! Do you hear yourself?! WTF???

Fine, you wanna believe that, go ahead.

[ferocity]

Robinson does not have the KO power of someone like Tarver, who has to come down from 200+ lbs to make 175. Robinson has little to no chance of KOing Roy. Prime Roy's chin is not the same as 36 year old Roy's chin.

No former welterweight is going to KO Roy, at any weight, period.

Robinson would get hit at a higher clip in this fight more than in any other fight. No one is as accurate as Roy that Robinson fought. Due to the speed and toughness, Robinson would win some rounds but Roy would take the decision.

Ray fought Kid Gavillan, one accurate sob. Who throw probably 3 times what Roy throws. No way Roy wins a decicion against Ray, he'd be way too catouis against Ray. Roy didn't fight the fighters level that Ray did but some of that is because Roy was afraid to take on the tougher fighters or what boxing people thought would be tougher fights for Roy. Roy had a well guided career. Roy has the power to hang with Ray at middleweight but he don't have the fire to hang with Ray. Ray would probably take Roy against the ropes and possable even ko him. The Tarver fight wasn't the only fight where Roys chin was tested, it was tested against another fighter a Puerto Rican fighter and Roy was really wobbled but the opponet didn't press him as he should and Roy was able to hid how hurt he really was. If you think Roy could beat Ray, then how do you explain Roys weak performance against Hopkins? And his unwillingness to fight some of the other top fighters of his time.

[ferocity]

LOL!!!!! Do you hear yourself?! WTF???

Fine, you wanna believe that, go ahead.

Thats what im saying. Hopkins is not the biggest puncher and he was able to take all of Tarvers punchs. Ray had a great chin. And at middlewight i've heard people say he was already out of his prime.

Ray had that power, timing, speed that once he connnected it over. And Ray was more relentlass then Roy. Ray had the power to ko Roy, but Roy would fight very cautous that he may survive the 15 rounds.