Prime Roy Jones vs. Prime Floyd Mayweather

[DiegoFuego]

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=6131&more=1

just a quick internet source...this wasn't something made up by toneys camp. james has always struggled with his weight. notice how his poorest performances have always come when he had problems with ballooning up. after the jones fight he IMMEDIATELY moves to 175. after the thadzi incident he IMMEDIATELY moves up to cruiser. look at him now...it's not hard to see he can't control himself.

and i'm not even trying to say that if he makes that weight comfortably he destorys roy....he WOULD give roy a much closer fight though.

it's undeniable that Toney was suffering from weight issues for that fight, but honestly, Roy most likely would have beaten him anyway. Toney, even back then, preferred his opponent to stand in and trade with him, which is something Roy just didn't do unless he was the bigger man. I still see Roy winning, but Toney would have made it a fight like you said.

[oldgringo]

Im not denying he had weight problems, but I dont believe he had to lose 50 pounds in a short time span. I think that is an extreme exxaguration and there are no facts to prove my opinion otherwise.
I also do not believe TOney had the flu.

toney weighed 215 five weeks or so before the fight and he weighed in at 167 or so come weigh in time. this isn't a bunch of bull**** i'm throwing in your face.

again with the fallacies. just because you can't believe something doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. you're a smart enough guy...you are semi-familiar with toneys career i'm guessing...given his history it's no stretch in any sense of the word. this is a guy who used to weigh 160...now he has weighed as much as 238. i never heard anything about him having the flu, but he was said to have been hooked up to an iv the night before to replace fluids.

[oldgringo]

it's undeniable that Toney was suffering from weight issues for that fight, but honestly, Roy most likely would have beaten him anyway. Toney, even back then, preferred his opponent to stand in and trade with him, which is something Roy just didn't do unless he was the bigger man. I still see Roy winning, but Toney would have made it a fight like you said.

i agree...roy was a bad style matchup.

[-Antonio-]

If Toney wouldnt have gotten robbed against Griffin in the second fight then him and Roy would have fought at 175. That would have been interesting. I think if Toney would have stayed at cruiser he would cleaned out the division. He looked comfertable at that weight.

[Easy-E]

toney weighed 215 five weeks or so before the fight and he weighed in at 167 or so come weigh in time. this isn't a bunch of bull**** i'm throwing in your face.

again with the fallacies. just because you can't believe something doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. you're a smart enough guy...you are semi-familiar with toneys career i'm guessing...given his history it's no stretch in any sense of the word. this is a guy who used to weigh 160...now he has weighed as much as 238. i never heard anything about him having the flu, but he was said to have been hooked up to an iv the night before to replace fluids.

Im not sayingn that its not possible, I just havent seen evidence that would lead me to believe Toney had to lose 50 plus pounds for the fight.

[oldgringo]

Im not sayingn that its not possible, I just havent seen evidence that would lead me to believe Toney had to lose 50 plus pounds for the fight.

evidence such as?

[GunStar]

evidence such as?

The evidence PBF34 is looking for some sort of video showing Toney 220 lbs.

[oldgringo]

The evidence PBF34 is looking for some sort of video showing Toney 220 lbs.

i guess so. something that documents his training 2 months before the jones fight with weekly weigh ins and all.

[Easy-E]

i guess so. something that documents his training 2 months before the jones fight with weekly weigh ins and all.

Some sort of factual documentation.
Just becuase you say Toney weighed 200 doesnt mean its true at all.
Im just looking for proof, which none of you seem to have.

[oldgringo]

Some sort of factual documentation.
Just becuase you say Toney weighed 200 doesnt mean its true at all.
Im just looking for proof, which none of you seem to have.

Okay...well I did a quick search on the net and this was one of the first articles that came up.

http://www.e a s t s i d eboxing.com/news.php?p=6131&more=1

I'm not going to sit here and go in depth to find information for you, but believe what you will. Toney was drained and didn't give a very good account of himself. He woudl have done better had he not been so worn out, but I still don't think he would have beaten Jones at that point.