Prime Roy Jones vs. Prime Floyd Mayweather

[oldgringo]

I have no physical evidence or 100% proof that Toney lost 50 lbs in 5 weeks. That could well be an exaggeration.

nobody except for the people around the fight who reported have proof of it. that's a baaaaaad fallacy SLW. you are basically saying, "since i wasn't there and couldn't see toneys struggles with weight, this weight drain stuff must not be true." there's actually a name for this type of fallacy. since something can't be empirically weighed by the opposing party, it must be incorrect/false/misleading/etc.

[Super_Lightweight]

It is misleading, because it's only words and we were not there.

Is it false? I don't know.

And that's my point. That is all. I am not one to call Toney a liar. But humans are prone to exaggeration at times. Not sure if this is a case of that or not.

[GunStar]

BTW back to Taylor/Hopkins fight. I had Hopkins winning only the last 3 rounds, I had Taylor winning 7 rounds and 2 rounds were even, rounds 5 and 9 were even rounds. Not a close fight at all. Taylor clearly won the first fight!

[oldgringo]

It is misleading, because it's only words and we were not there.

Is it false? I don't know.

And that's my point. That is all. I am not one to call Toney a liar. But humans are prone to exaggeration at times. Not sure if this is a case of that or not.

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=6131&more=1

just a quick internet source...this wasn't something made up by toneys camp. james has always struggled with his weight. notice how his poorest performances have always come when he had problems with ballooning up. after the jones fight he IMMEDIATELY moves to 175. after the thadzi incident he IMMEDIATELY moves up to cruiser. look at him now...it's not hard to see he can't control himself.

and i'm not even trying to say that if he makes that weight comfortably he destorys roy....he WOULD give roy a much closer fight though.

[Addison]

Look at this thread go!

[oldgringo]

BTW back to Taylor/Hopkins fight. I had Hopkins winning only the last 3 rounds, I had Taylor winning 7 rounds and 2 rounds were even, rounds 5 and 9 were even rounds. Not a close fight at all. Taylor clearly won the first fight!

what about the 3rd round...? i thought that was a clearer round for hopkins than was the 5th.

[GunStar]

what about the 3rd round...? i thought that was a clearer round for hopkins than was the 5th.

It's either 3rd or the 5ft, I have to watch it again, I've seen this fight like 10 times already. I know I had 2 rounds even, I think both rounds Taylor won the first part and Hopkins finished strong!

[Easy-E]

I'm already over it, once again you don't know what your talking about.

In your opinion Jones is the greatest of all time, so you gonna believe what you want to believe.

I dont think Roy was the greatest fighter of all time...
I believe he had the talent to be the greatest fighter ever, but did not achive that status.
read my posts, man.

[Easy-E]

I would suggest it. When both guys land 5 punches in a round but the champions are slightly better, the champion gets the round bud....not the guy who people hope succeeds.

I dont give rounds to fighters because they are the champion, they have to earn rounds just as much as the challenger should.

And what your saying isnt necessarily true.
If 2 fighters both land 5 punches, but one fighter dictates the action while the other covers up and is extremly inactive, the round goes to the person who pressed the action.

[Easy-E]

nobody except for the people around the fight who reported have proof of it. that's a baaaaaad fallacy SLW. you are basically saying, "since i wasn't there and couldn't see toneys struggles with weight, this weight drain stuff must not be true." there's actually a name for this type of fallacy. since something can't be empirically weighed by the opposing party, it must be incorrect/false/misleading/etc.

Im not denying he had weight problems, but I dont believe he had to lose 50 pounds in a short time span. I think that is an extreme exxaguration and there are no facts to prove my opinion otherwise.
I also do not believe TOney had the flu.