I've noticed that British boxers have to do 10 times more to get any recognition here

[TheEvilSaint]

the UK's boxing talent pool is much much smaller than that of america's, which means they have to go to other talent pools other than their own, which a lot of UK fighters dont do. said UK fighters fight the best the UK has to offer, not what the world has to offer.

[ianwigley]

See, I'm kind of 50-50 on the situation. It's NICE for a boxer to go to the States and fight there (especially if it shuts some of you ****ers up. ) but it's not the be all and end all, depending on circumstance.

I'd rather Joe Blow be fighting top guys in Wales and beating them than Hatton getting his ass spanked in the US. (I'm not saying that the location would have a bearing on the outcome, I'm saying that I believe Joe Blow is more likely to be superior over his peers than Hatton is, and that is more impressive regardless of location).

Or take the other alternative - Hatton stays in Manchester but fights exactly the same people. So Cotto comes over and spanks his ass. It doesn't matter that he "didn't lace 'em up in the States" - he's still getting his ass kicked either way, you know what I mean?

The quality of the boxer and quality of opponents mean more to me than the location they fight in...that's some way down the line. And yes, I realise that some quality opponents won't travel, but that's a separate issue.

Your thread starter and this post are eloquent to say the very least. Thank God we have an intelligent post here. Nice one.

[Guest]

LOL.

Arturo "Thunder" Gatti knocked out undefeated Thomas Damegaard. That right there just goes to show....a club fighter from the States is superior to pretty much the second best Dane boxer on the planet.

How many club fighters are there in America? How many fighters are there in Denmark?

You're taking a single isolated example here, like I've just done and proving a point with it when it patently doesn't.


ALSO, you're regurgitating views from another thread and not really replying to this particular thread.

It's not all down to "coming to the States". Why is it that every time there's a "Joe Blow takes a crap" thread there's instantly seven pages of replies on it, all from punks?

[Welter_Skelter]

This always turns into a National rivalry when it shouldn't.

He stated a basic fact. European fighters have a tendency to fight solely in Europe. American fighters have a tendency to solely fight in the U.S.A.

Fighting in the U.S.A. > Fighting in Europe. Better Opposition, More money.

End of story, and that's that. Nobody can get that through their skull.

Now that sure sounds like the kind of Talk I would expect from someone who lives in the Worlds MOST powerful NATION.. which YOU dont.. unless you are Chinese..

[Guest]

Your thread starter and this post are eloquent to say the very least. Thank God we have an intelligent post here. Nice one.

Thankyou very much.

[ianwigley]

One impression I get - and please correct me if I'm wrong here - is that a lot of American fans are bone idle when it comes to research and want it all served up on a plate for them.

If there's a fight that's not screened in the UK as sometimes happens, I download it. But in the US they don't seem to as much.


I mean, I'm really talking about idiots like Pantera who think fighters "don't matter" if they don't fight in the States.

From where do you download it? Do you pay, or do you just Youtube it? I pay lots of money for DVDs of US scraps, I'm looking for a cheaper way. Can you let me know...I'm UK based, hence me not getting US scraps so much (unless Sky show them).

Ian

[Welter_Skelter]

LOL.

Arturo "Thunder" Gatti knocked out undefeated Thomas Damegaard. That right there just goes to show....a club fighter from the States is superior to pretty much the second best Dane boxer on the planet.

Ummm Gatti is from Montreal.. if you look that up you will see thats in Canada.. That's C A N A D A .. Am I going too fast for you? Should I stick to monosylabic words?

[IwatchBoxing]

With Hatton, he should of stayed at Welterweight and or give Collazo a rematch or something. Now his fights between Cotto and Mayweather look dim..

[Animal Squabbs]

Nor do AMERICAN FIGHTERS.. Its simple.. Ameicans dont like ANYTHING that isn't American..Its not just Brits that get it.. Its everybody.. they are equal oppurtunity when it comes to discriminating.. your response backs up everything Anorak just said

Lets look at Taylor, his last few fights have been against Hopkins, Wright, Ouma. Calzaghe last few fights have been against Bika, Lacy and Veit.

Antonio Tarver has fought Hopkins, Jones, Johnson. Calzaghe has fought Sheika, Ashira, and Mitchell.

Mayweather has fought Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Castillo. Calzaghe fought Charles Brewer.


Diego Corrales has fought Mayweather, Castillo, Casamayor, Freitas. Calzaghe fought Tocker Pudwill.



I understand that the Manfredo fight is supposed to be an intro into the US, but he just fought Bika. He shouldnt get two soft touches.

[Guest]

the UK's boxing talent pool is much much smaller than that of america's, which means they have to go to other talent pools other than their own, which a lot of UK fighters dont do. said UK fighters fight the best the UK has to offer, not what the world has to offer.

See, this is the "can't have it both ways" situation.

How many UK fighters are afforded any opportunities whatsoever? If Frank Warren wants his fighters to get a world title shot he practically has to fellate Don King for it, while some undeserving US cases (come on, Rahman getting a title shot after his "comeback" opponents?) get it given to them on a platter. I'm not saying that this is ALWAYS the case, note, but look at how Big Len had to take people to court before he could get title shots.

On the one hand European boxers get derided (largely because people don't know them) and get **** all opportunities, then they get called bums because they haven't fought at the highest level.

Note that I'm clearly NOT saying this always happens, just that it's very much a catch-22.