I'm not racist, I just don't like "thug" fighters.

[americanspirit]

YEAH, HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T LIKE THE SOPRANO'S OR GOODFELLA'S OR JOHN CENA OR CHUCK ZITO OR OUTLAW BIKER CULTURE OR CLINT EASTWOOD OR SCARFACE AL PACINO BECAUSE:

"YOU DON'T LIKE THAT "THUG" STUFF.."

Tell me again it's not racial.

[cyberthugpatrol]

yes. Hitler was a genius.

just because you hate someone does not mean they are not intelligent.

I am sure most people like you, but you are still a ****ing ******.

I can already see it now.....go ahead......label me..........anti-what ?

Hitler, a genius? That is a ****** thing to post, and is obviously something that i don't agree with. A genius wouldn't be responsible for what Hitler is responsible for, and Hitler is a man who deserves no admiration, especially when it comes to labelling him a genius! However, having read through a few posts regarding this, Kid Achilles seems to realise that what Hitler was responsible for is terrible in the extreme. Therefore, giving a man like Hitler the accolade of 'Genius' is terribly misguided under any grounds IMO, still, i don't know Kid Achilles personally, so if he claims that he's not racist then i'm not going to label him a racist.

Again, in regards to women, my point was that a man should be a man and walk away, but i understand the points you have made.

[Kid Achilles]

Race was brought up again and again by people calling me racist in the past because I don't Zab Judah, Mayweather, and James Toney. They started it, I responded to it. This post was not out of the blue, but rather a reponse to guys like Gunstar1 who play the race card any chance they can when someone disagrees with them or dislikes their favorite fighters.

You (claim to) have just arrived at this forum so my advice to you is to keep your nose out of things when you don't know what's what and who's who. You (claim that you) haven't been here as long as the rest of us and don't know the history certain posters have with each other.

Honestly, I am just being polite in the 1% chance that you're someone other than Bozo-no_no.

Even if you aren't Bozo, I've decided I don't really like dealing with you. The way you lightly throw racism around (bringing up the peeing monkey icon as some kind of serious racial slur when in fact I've seen it used in numerous threads where race issues were not brought up and it basically just means "piss on you").

I've noticed that the same people who are obsessed with black boxers and athletes are the same people who'd rather keep blacks in the entertainment and sports industry and out of the political office. I've met and argued with them on other forums. These are the people who believe that blacks are better suited for athletics, who have a natural advantage over whites, and who often believe that blacks don't have the intellect to make good leaders. These are people who'd rather not have a black doctor, but would prefer to cheer a black man on in the ring or basketball court.

The fact of the matter is, my political orientation leans to the left, the far left, and if Barack ***** runs for 2008, he has my vote.

So how the **** am I racist for wanting a black man as president of the united states? Tell me that one. Because I don't like James Toney's trash talk and ignorance, and how he plays into stereotypes in this country about black men? Because I don't support an ex-armed drug dealer turned trash talking boxer who ****s on his opponents, the press, and almost everyone else in the sport of boxing? Sorry but I've seen enough young black men portrayed in the media as rude, loud, and belligerent and I'd like to see more who are classy, intelligent and ultimately, powerful. I would love to see America as a place where color doesn't matter and blacks, whites, asians, etc all occupy positions of power and wealth in equal numbers, but James Toney and his negative persona and image sure as **** isn't leading the way to that.

The guy is a ****ty role model, he reinforces bad racial stereotypes, **** him. That's my opinion on him. Great athlete but lousy sport and ambassador for boxing.

As far as I'm concerned James Toney is as viable of a hero or role model as Stone Cold Steve Austin is for someone from the suburbs or the trailer park.

Not someone to emulate.

But you'd rather see more young James Toney's, right? Just angry and pissed off at everyone, completely destructive, nothing constructive to add to the world. Walking around feeling enraged at everything around them all the time. That's your idea of a role model for an inner city youth, right?

[Mr. Ryan]

The thing with "thug" fighters often is that they can't walk what they talk. My favorite example, and it bothers me a bit cuz he's a friend, was Jaidon Codrington prior to the Green fight when he told my man Jose "On Fire" Aguirre that he'd never get knocked out cuz he was a G.

Zab Judah has just been, EHHHH!!! I know some real bad mother****ers that get out of jail and can't be knocked out cuz they are accustomed to having bats ****** off their heads and can't make weight cuz they are 250 pds of solid jail muscle. The kind of people with charisma are too alive inside to be invincible.

[cortdawg25]

Again some of you guys are really sad in your reading comprehension skills. Are we still in middle school? I never said I admired Hitler or wanted to be like him, I said that I had respect (which is completely different than liking something) for him as one of the most influential (again, does not mean good) people in the world since 1900. Hitler has had a ****ing enormous impact on the modern world and if you deny that you are just an idiot. Some of you seem to find it impossible to distinguish between humanity and greatness. There were great men who had a lot of good in their heart such as Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. but there were also great men such as Hitler and Napoleon who caused the death of many many people, were power hungry, and utterly selfish. Hitler was obviously the least humane of these great men in my opinion, but he was still a great historical figure of tremendous influence.

Hitler was not an idiot. He was insane and as close to evil as a human being can be, but he was also a genius. Since when can you not be insane and also be a genius at the same time? There have been plenty of musical, academic, political, and even athletic geniuses who were either scumbags or clearly insane.

Why did a bring Hitler up? As the ultimate example of someone I respect as a historical figure but have no admiration for. It was a comparison to James Toney who's boxing skills I have a great deal of respect for but who's personality irritates me. Obviously I absolutely detest Hitler and his whacked out ideals, but I have respect for him just as anyone on the streets has respect for the most powerful and dangerous gang in their city.

To not have respect for Hitler would mean you do not think he was a consequential figure in history and that what he did was not so bad and not worth talking about.

HITLER WAS NO GENIUS!!! HE DID NOT HAVE HUGE IMPACT ON THE MODERN WORLD AND HE WAS NOT GREAT. THE ONLY REASON HE IS MENTIONED IS FOR THE GENOCIDE OF 6 SOMETHING MILLLION PEOPLE. IF THE PEOPLE OF GERMANY WEREN'T SO WEAK AND *******, IT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED I CAN'T RESPECT THAT AND NEVER WILL NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND SPIN IT. and also genius is a positive adjective, if you detest Hitler so much then why do you attach positive adjectives to his name. Again he was no genius, he was insane! This why I question you, only racist anglo-saxons think Hitler was a genius and respect him.

[cyberthugpatrol]

read.

you might learn something.

the FACT is, Adolf Hitler was a genius. murder too, but nonetheless a GENIUS

HITLER WAS NO GENIUS!!! HE DID NOT HAVE HUGE IMPACT ON THE MODERN WORLD AND HE WAS NOT GREAT. THE ONLY REASON HE IS MENTIONED IS FOR THE GENOCIDE OF 6 SOMETHING MILLLION PEOPLE. IF THE PEOPLE OF GERMANY WEREN'T SO WEAK AND *******, IT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED I CAN'T RESPECT THAT AND NEVER WILL NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND SPIN IT. and also genius is a positive adjective, if you detest Hitler so much then why do you attach positive adjectives to his name. Again he was no genius, he was insane! This why I question you, only racist anglo-saxons think Hitler was a genius and respect him.

[Kid Achilles]

YEAH, HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T LIKE THE SOPRANO'S OR GOODFELLA'S OR JOHN CENA OR CHUCK ZITO OR OUTLAW BIKER CULTURE OR CLINT EASTWOOD OR SCARFACE AL PACINO BECAUSE:

Not a big fan of the Sopranos. Goodfellas I liked as a movie but everyone got what was coming to them in it and I have no personal love for the mafia. Those other guys, don't like em. Clint Eastwood, in what role? I liked him in the Sergio Leone trio and would not consider him a thug or braggart by any means in that role. He's just a man in a lawless country who does what he has to to get by. There's no unnecesary disrespect for others, disgusting excess, or loudmouth bravado from him, he's just a guy living by his code and getting by. Scarface was a great movie for what it illuminates about humanity and the need for loyalty in any walk of life but Tony Montana is no personal hero of mine.

[cortdawg25]

Race was brought up again and again by people calling me racist in the past because I don't Zab Judah, Mayweather, and James Toney. They started it, I responded to it. This post was not out of the blue, but rather a reponse to guys like Gunstar1 who play the race card any chance they can when someone disagrees with them or dislikes their favorite fighters.

You (claim to) have just arrived at this forum so my advice to you is to keep your nose out of things when you don't know what's what and who's who. You (claim that you) haven't been here as long as the rest of us and don't know the history certain posters have with each other.

Honestly, I am just being polite in the 1% chance that you're someone other than Bozo-no_no.

Even if you aren't Bozo, I've decided I don't really like dealing with you. The way you lightly throw racism around (bringing up the peeing monkey icon as some kind of serious racial slur when in fact I've seen it used in numerous threads where race issues were not brought up and it basically just means "piss on you").

I've noticed that the same people who are obsessed with black boxers and athletes are the same people who'd rather keep blacks in the entertainment and sports industry and out of the political office. I've met and argued with them on other forums. These are the people who believe that blacks are better suited for athletics, who have a natural advantage over whites, and who often believe that blacks don't have the intellect to make good leaders. These are people who'd rather not have a black doctor, but would prefer to cheer a black man on in the ring or basketball court.

The fact of the matter is, my political orientation leans to the left, the far left, and if Barack ***** runs for 2008, he has my vote.

So how the **** am I racist for wanting a black man as president of the united states? Tell me that one. Because I don't like James Toney's trash talk and ignorance, and how he plays into stereotypes in this country about black men? Because I don't support an ex-armed drug dealer turned trash talking boxer who ****s on his opponents, the press, and almost everyone else in the sport of boxing? Sorry but I've seen enough young black men portrayed in the media as rude, loud, and belligerent and I'd like to see more who are classy, intelligent and ultimately, powerful. I would love to see America as a place where color doesn't matter and blacks, whites, asians, etc all occupy positions of power and wealth in equal numbers, but James Toney and his negative persona and image sure as **** isn't leading the way to that.

The guy is a ****ty role model, he reinforces bad racial stereotypes, **** him. That's my opinion on him. Great athlete but lousy sport and ambassador for boxing.

As far as I'm concerned James Toney is as viable of a hero or role model as Stone Cold Steve Austin is for someone from the suburbs or the trailer park.

Not someone to emulate.

But you'd rather see more young James Toney's, right? Just angry and pissed off at everyone, completely destructive, nothing constructive to add to the world. Walking around feeling enraged at everything around them all the time. That's your idea of a role model for an inner city youth, right?

If you would have said all of that the first time, then it would have been a diffrent argument, bringing in Hitler and all these other racial undertones doesn't help you get your point across, just state facts as you see them without including race and I have no problem.

[realheavyhands]

mayweather doesnt drink

[cyberthugpatrol]

he swallows

mayweather doesnt drink