Greatest ever white heavyweight boxer?

[Kid Achilles]

These guys are much closer in size than it appears. It'd be like calling Danny Williams at 290 a much bigger man than Lewis at 250 (who was in reality a natural 225-230 lber) when in fact we know thats bull****. Most heavyweights today are natural 190-220 lbers who've bulked up. They have some extra strength but have less snap in their punches than Dempsey, Marciano, Louis, Tyson etc. The only guy active right now who I'd say would be a natural 250 or more is Valuev. Even Samuel Peter would weigh about 220 in true boxing form.

Todays guys are bigger but not by THAT much.

[Kid Achilles]

Now religion is entering the picture? Jesus, how hard is it to see that the theory of race is flawed? Ethnicities yes, I can see that, but there's only one race of people, **** sapien.

sfdmalex,

Exactly my point. Why should irish and italians be grouped together but leave out the mexicans and south americans many of whom came from europe anyway? A great deal of mexicans aren't exactly direct descendents of the Aztecs.

[K-DOGG]

you got that wrong. there is many races. but they come from three brother who are the son's of Noah PBUH.

its long explaination so i wont was time explaining it and going outta of the topic.

Bud, no offense; but there's a great possibility that Noah was the same man as Gilgamesh of Babylonian lore....and an even greater possibility (practically a scientific certainty) that the "whole world" was never flooded/aka covered in water.

Odds are a portion of land near the Black Sea flooded really bad when a natural earth dam collapsed around the time period this story happened, killing many people and inspiring those stories to be written.

There is no geographical evidence that the whole earth flooded.

[Banderivets]

Which just illuminates how inconsistent and messed up the "theory" of race is. People use it and don't even realize what it states, why it was created etc. I see people on this forum of hispanic descent calling themselves latino and refering to it as a race, which it isn't, at least not by the common theory of race. There are three races according to the race theory that many buy into today: negroid (black), caucasian (euro, latino etc.) and mongoloid (sounds hilarious and constitutes asians).

In reality there's a bunch of race theories, all of them BS IMO. When people can change categories around on a whim and claim mexicans aren't white but are their own race (which would be news to me) it just shows you how shallow the roots of this whole racial science really dig.

What does white mean? I mean many asians have white skin so maybe we should consider them white as well. Or should white only mean italian, irish, and english, if even soviets are not "white"?

Who knows? It's all bull**** anyway.

Not everyone is intermixed like the people of Americas. Great white North down to South Chile.

These mixes are recent anyway.


On European soil the different "races" evolved for ages. Just like they did everywhere else. Till the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and English went to the Americas and intermixed.


And to this day Ethiopeans look very different to the people of Angola, and have different cultures.

So saying all people of Africa are just "black" is wrong.


"terms 'Caucasoid,' 'Negroid', and 'Mongoloid,' which are almost never used in scientific research today"

[Kid Achilles]

Can we just call the whole thing off before this erupts into a theological debate? I have today off from work and I'd rather not spend hours in front of the computer discussing this topic which is begining to give me a headache already now that Noah is trying to have his say too.

[K-DOGG]

Can we just call the whole thing off before this erupts into a theological debate? I have today off from work and I'd rather not spend hours in front of the computer discussing this topic which is begining to give me a headache already now that Noah is trying to have his say too.

I second this motion!

This is the non-stop-boxing forum, let's get back on topic. Whatcha say, fellas?

[Banderivets]

Ethnicities yes, I can see that, but there's only one race of people, **** sapien.

sfdmalex,

Exactly my point. Why should irish and italians be grouped together but leave out the mexicans and south americans many of whom came from europe anyway? A great deal of mexicans aren't exactly direct descendents of the Aztecs.

Sure we are one race. **** sapien. But there still need to be terms to distinguish people of different regions around the world.

Irish and Italians grouped together? Once again, I stress, maybe in America and Canada, but were I am from, no one would ever group Irish and Italians as the same people.

Once again, were I am from no one would leave out the European roots in majority of the South American or Mexican people. I personaly see most South Americans as Europeans. But even when I mention that to certain, must say younger South Americans they seem to get offended.

To be honest, in school in Ukraine South Americans and Mexicans are more seen as European then Native American due to the very fact that the Euros collectivly killed something like 20 million of the native population and didnt mix with them as much.

[Banderivets]

Can we just call the whole thing off before this erupts into a theological debate? I have today off from work and I'd rather not spend hours in front of the computer discussing this topic which is begining to give me a headache already now that Noah is trying to have his say too.

No problem, I dont feel like running to my sisters place to get all her Anthropology books either


To clarify I belive in the definition of race being "social construct" forget physical differences of people around the world. If anything it can simply be used to help distinguish an "ethnicity" from a purely physical stand point.

As time moves on it seems that teh word "race" is going to disspear as social construct basicaly means ethnicity.



But my bottom line is that all people of the earth are the same. And we are simply different in our culture and language. And our physical differenecs are the result of evolution on different parts of the planet, which have different environmnets.

[Bozo_no no]

I can't believe a few nut huggers went so far as to vote for Klitschko.

Any one of you have the balls to admit that's how you voted?

What a disgrace to boxing.

[Welter_Skelter]

I can't believe a few nut huggers went so far as to vote for Klitschko.

Any one of you have the balls to admit that's how you voted?

What a disgrace to boxing.

I voted Klitschko.. What ya gonna do about it.. insult me? LOL like what you think matters.. OH BTW enjoy your little holiday? I sure did