Greatest ever white heavyweight boxer?

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  • macman
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    #21
    The Willard mention was worth noting, as is the Dempsey VS Firpo bout.
    Personally think all the totally unproven talk about Dempsey's gloves in the Willard fight is bull
    - watch the bout, that's the only explanation you need.
    Absolutely savage stuff.

    Dempsey much smaller than todays heavyweights but an incredible puncher, & extremely good at getting inside bigger mens reach.
    Both Willard & Firpo were of a size with the big men of today, & Dempsey annihilated them (ignoring the fact that neither was much of a boxer, they were still both experienced pro's).


    Personally, I'd go for Gene Tunney, one of the most under-rated fighters of all time.
    Although Tunney came up from Light-Heavy, he was quite possibly the most complete fighter up to that point in history, & set the road-map for those that came later.

    He could brawl when necessary (the later fights with Greb), punch, and was among the most advanced strategic boxers of all time (think that only Sugar Ray Leonard was on the same level as a strategic fighter).

    He got put down at the time for way he fought Dempsey, but here was a guy who studied Dempsey, worked out the perfect fight plan, & did exactly what was needed in training (running hundreds of miles backwards, & working out how to throw effective punches while doing it), then executed it perfectly, & did similar stuff in many of his bouts.

    The second Dempsey bout controversy ignores that by the last few rounds Tunney recovered completely, & gave Dempsey a pasting, dropping him in the process.

    If we are talking about the quality of the fighter, you can't go past Tunney.

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    • badblood
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      #22
      Gerry Cooney.

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        #23
        Well, it really depends. Are we talking about noteriety in the proper time frame, styles comparitive to the time, or picking one out and mythologically placing them against anyone under modern rules?

        For example, Sullivan was an icon and took on the best bareknuckle fighters around....well, as long as they were white; but he redefined the sport of boxing and made it something other than the backroom secret it had been for yeeaars. He brough boxing out into the open and made it a natioal pasttime of sorts. He was as big as Babe Ruth or Ali ever were in their days...comparitively speaking, of course.

        However, given that London Prize Ring Rules and Marquis de Queensbury are two totally different fighting styles and rules, hardly anyone would give The Great John L. even an outside chance to beat the most modest of journeymen today.

        So, how do we rank them?

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        • ßringer
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          #24
          I'm so pissed Gerry Cooney isn't on that list.........

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          • King Koyle
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            #25
            I'll go with Marciano on this one,followed closely by Dempsey.As for the Klitchko's,I agree that their size advantages over the likes of Dempsey or Marciano might be too much.Especially the stronger chinned Vitali!But none the less,when it's all said and done,their legacies won't be nearly as great.I don't think that many reasonable historians will rank them above or even close to Dempsey,Marciano,or just about any other name on that list.

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            • Kid Achilles
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              #26
              Cooney was about as good as Buddy Baer, why not put little Baer on that list? And Max Baer was much, much better than Cooney IMO. A great right hand is better than a great left hook when you're over 6'3" and fight at long range, he had better stamina, and infinitely better chin. Cooney isn't even one of the ten best white heavyweights of all time, let alone #1.

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              • Banderivets
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                #27
                Still funny to see all white skinned people thrown in the same bucket.


                Now think about someone saying that Klitschko (a Soviet) and Marciano (an American) being the "same" 50 years ago lol

                Just wonder how an American-Italian and a Ukrainian have any ethnic or racial similarity.

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                • The Raging Bull
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                  #28
                  Dempsey is my choice, with Marciano really close behind!

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by sfdmalex
                    Still funny to see all white skinned people thrown in the same bucket.


                    Now think about someone saying that Klitschko (a Soviet) and Marciano (an American) being the "same" 50 years ago lol

                    Just wonder how an American-Italian and a Ukrainian have any ethnic or racial similarity.

                    Heh, heh...yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

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                    • Kid Achilles
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                      #30
                      Well the thread topic is white heavyweight, which means anyone of "caucasian" ethnicity of any kind. I don't buy into the theory of race when but if you call someone caucasian and use the "three races" category system this includes soviets, italians, mexicans, etc. Bonavena would be a "white" fighter as well.

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