If the "Soviet Union" allowed their boxers to turn Pro, what would it have been like

[K-DOGG]

I think things are pretty equal, and I don't want to start something, but
the "African American", not all, but they certainly have showed that they might be slightly ahead in some ways.

That was due more to their collective socio-economic status than anything genetic. Collectively there were more poor Blacks than poor whites in the U.S., so they, those of whom you speak, had something to escape from and had a hard life of which to reference.

Hunger, desire, skill, mentality, and talent a champion make....not skin tone.

[Abe Attell]

I don't write them off. It's just that by far Cuba and Russia produced more quality amateurs than America I'm pretty sure. Just by sheer numbers and depth of talent they would dominate.

The few Americans that would rise to the top in this hypothetical world would be DAMN good ones though.

But there are factors maybe:
{not sure, but using "maybe""}

Communists couldn't turn pro, they were stuck fighting in the amatuers, for longer periods of time...this is why you see fighters that are 20+ going up against kids.

There were lots of good talent in America that couldn't afford passing up turning pro at a young age, just like Mexicans who turn pro very young, the skip the amatuers.

[Abe Attell]

How come nobody has answered my second question, I really want to know some more info

"how good was Ionas Chepulis, the man that fought George Foreman for the Gold Medal?"

[BrooklynBomber]

How come nobody has answered my second question, I really want to know some more info

"how good was Ionas Chepulis, the man that fought George Foreman for the Gold Medal?"

I honestly have no idea.
But does anyone remember who did Ali fight in olympic finals?
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[Chups]

Same question should be asked of Chinese and Cuban fighters. It's going to be a different ballgame if they had turned pro.

[Kid Achilles]

Abe I don't buy any of that racial nonsense. I don't see anything to suggest that blacks on average are more predisposed to or gifted at boxing. I mean, just look at blacks who grow up in white neighborhoods and are "white" culturally. They don't appear stronger, faster, more aggressive, etc. than the white neighbors they live with. It's the impoverished background and desire to come out ahead in life despite what was handed to them, that gives someone the advantage in boxing. It just so happens that a large percentage of blacks in this county are living in such conditions. The same goes with Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Russians, etc.

[Abe Attell]

Have to look that up, but Ray Leonard fought a good Cuban as well, although I am not sure on how good he was...he did knock the Cuban out.

I wonder who Meldrick Taylor fought, he won gold at a very young age.

[BrooklynBomber]

Same question should be asked of Chinese and Cuban fighters. It's going to be a different ballgame if they had turned pro.

Absolutely agreed, if the whole world actually fought for the world title it would be a very different boxing.

[Abe Attell]

Abe I don't buy any of that racial nonsense. I don't see anything to suggest that blacks on average are more predisposed to or gifted at boxing. I mean, just look at blacks who grow up in white neighborhoods and are "white" culturally. They don't appear stronger, faster, more aggressive, etc. than the white neighbors they live with. It's the impoverished background and desire to come out ahead in life despite what was handed to them, that gives someone the advantage in boxing. It just so happens that a large percentage of blacks in this county are living in such conditions. The same goes with Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Russians, etc.

that does have something to do with it, but "Genes" when properly activated by the "impoverished" living, helps and gives the advantage.
Also notice I say "African American" instead of just all of the Blacks being lumped into one...there is a reason that I am saying the "African American" and not some guy from Kenya, West Africa, etc.

Never saw a "White" fighter at Heavyweight that could do what Ali did...haven't seen another Mike Tyson, a 220 pound fighter that can move like that...still hoping to see the "White" version of Roy Jones Jr., Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, etc.

I know you can use Wille Pep for the Whitaker argument, but there seems to be more "movers" with "Speed" per "Black" than "White"

I am not saying "Blacks" are "faster" than "Whites", No, two of the fastest people I knew were "White", but that was 2 out of 20+ that were "Black".

[Kid Achilles]

Dempsey was every bit as quick as Tyson and would have weighed over 200 lbs today, possibly even faster than he was in the 1920's, with modern training and a bit more muscle mass to fill out his big frame.

Wlad Klitschko has some of the fastest hands for a big man I've seen, faster than any black heavyweight I've seen at 250 lbs.

Corrie Sanders had insanely fast hands for a fat 240 lber.

There is a new white heavyweight that I remember seeing footage of who had VERY quick hands but otherwise seemed unimpressive.

Whites in boxing in general are underrepresented but I wouldn't say they are slower on average. It's just that there is a much shallower "white" talent pool in boxing.