pacman clearly ducking marquez link inside

[Castillofan]

my point was marquez had problems with HIS management. he could have taken that fight won and switched management. im sure after if he beat pac he would be getting bigger paydays.

That's a major risk. You have to understand that these gusy are risking themselves every time they fight. People have been killed sparring. Would you fight Pacquiao for short money?

There's no guarantees anywhere in boxing, and I wouldn't start making risky bets while I was on the other side of the ring to Pacquiao.

If Top Rank didn't take the piss and ensured that Marquez got what he was due, there would have been a fight.

[flipside]

That's right. Pacquiao has the right to turn the Marquez fight down if he chooses. I wouldn't blame him if he did. But as you say, it's a business, and the way I see it, a Marquez rematch is better business for Pacquiao than it is to fight Barrera.

barera and pac would sell more IMO. marquez would be vindication for pac. he beat barera he dont need to prove anything else.

[Castillofan]

barera and pac would sell more IMO. marquez would be vindication for pac. he beat barera he dont need to prove anything else.

So if a lot more people than yourself see it the same way, then fighting Barrera is a waste of time. As it stands now, fighting Barrera for Pacquiao makes sense only for Barrera.

If plenty of people think it's waste of time, how will it sell more than a fight with Marquez, which most people consider is unfinished business?

[flipside]

So if a lot more people than yourself see it the same way, then fighting Barrera is a waste of time. As it stands now, fighting Barrera for Pacquiao makes sense only for Barrera.

If plenty of people think it's waste of time, how will it sell more than a fight with Marquez, which most people consider is unfinished business?

because barera and pac are superstars


there are few hardcore fans out there. most people that buy ppvs are casual fans. i beleive they make up for the bigger market. ergo.

[PrtyBoyDlicious]

A lot of people thought Marquez won the fight with Pacquiao, regardless of the three knockdowns.

I would have to think hard, but I don't ever remember a fighter being floored three times in the first round, and then fighting all the way to the end.

99.9% of the time, when a fighter is dropped three times in round one, he gets knocked out before the final bell. And Marquez did not run in the fight or try to stay away, he stood there and fought because he doesnt have the legs to stay away from Pacquiao, who is quick on his feet.

this is not an excuse, but pacquiao broke his left hand after the 3rd kd thats why he wasnt able to follow up for the kill....

Marquez wanting more money had nothing to do with being scared, it's called GREED. He was greedy and it cost him.

It's easy for anyone to say "you wont accept this amount of money to fight me so you must be scared"

i think they're not being greedy. plane and simple, Nacho priced themselves out of the rematch...he wants a retirement money for marquez and himself just in case....

And while we are on that subject, you don't even know the facts of the story, because Top Rank, who promoted Marquez at the time, was getting more money than Marquez for the fight. I think a fighter has every right to turn down a fight regardless of the money, when his promoter is making MORE than him.

Isnt that the reason why Pacquiao left Murad and Shaw? Because they were making fortunes off of his fights while he was making less in the end.

that's a lie.... if they knew that top rank is going to make more money than the fighter for this rematch, they could proceed with the fight and sue top rank later based on muhammad ali act...pacman sued murad and settled out of court for $850,000

here, reading is essential.....here's an open letter to nacho...

http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim030206.asp

there are some more articles about the supposed marquez-pacman rematch...i know you can also search the internet...

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[PrtyBoyDlicious]

Really.

You can't price yourself out when you're not even being offered that much in the first place.

Marquez didn't come out and ask for three million or anything. Just to be paid as a champion should. Pacquiao was being paid as a champion and he wasn't the champion.

It's really pointless to talk about this if you're going to look at it only from one angle.

dude, nacho asked for $1.5M....

[Castillofan]

dude, nacho asked for $1.5M....

It was a unified featherweight championship rematch. What would you have asked for?

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

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Ummmm no. Sue under the Muhammad Ali act? Don King received 5 million for "producing" Mayorga for his fight with De La Hoya. Mayorga almost pulled out when he found out.

Where in the Ali act does it say a fighter has to make more than the promoter?

So Marquez should have taken the fight, let Top Rank make more than him and Pacquiao combined, with the mindset of "I'll sue them afterwards and maybe I will win the difference of the money."

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

This is what both fighters made for the first fight so it's not a case of Marquez wanting more than Pacquiao, just wanting more money in general, and the main issue was problems with his promoter.

Juan Manuel Marquez $500.000 v Manny Pacquiao $650.000

[Castillofan]

This is what both fighters made for the first fight so it's not a case of Marquez wanting more than Pacquiao, just wanting more money in general, and the main issue was problems with his promoter.

Juan Manuel Marquez $500.000 v Manny Pacquiao $650.000

Exactly. Top Rank were in a position to step up and make it happen. So if that doesn't happen, what do you do? You take stock of what else is ont he table and go from there. Marquez wanted to fight for the WBA title. they never took that from him as with the IBF.

Of course 750 grand and 30 grand is a great difference; but people don't see the **** that went down inbetween to make that happen.