Why Americans slag off calzaghe?

[Guest]

Its not that we slag off on him its just that we dont agree with you that he is the next Sugar Ray. He has done well, I can not dispute that, but when he is praised by the Europeans as being the next great thing then I have to disagree. You can say Roy ducked him and ducked him but look at the records. Tarver, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Montel Griffen, Mike McCallum, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Eric Harding....... He may not have fought everybody to please you but thats a pretty good list of fighters to have stepped in with. Compare that to Calzaghes list of Eubank, Reid and well a green Lacy and I would say that Jones resume looks a hell of alot better. Calzaghe is a good fighter. Is he on the level of a Sugar Ray or even a Roy Jones, no he is not.

Its not that he not American and its not that he is European. Its the fact that he has fought a rather ordinary list of opponents when talking about elites. If he wants to claim to be the best and you want to back him on it then I say step in with somebody that can throw on a consistant basis. His last 15 fights he has beaten who for you to proclaim his greatness?

Rockin'

Would you agree that RJJ's resume is pretty ****ty as well though, lover? There's nothing that bugs me more than when you line up Hagler, Leonard and Robinson and someone says "Bernard Hopkins is as good as them, cos he beat Robert Allen."

[K-DOGG]

A variety of reasons.

1. He's not American.

2. He's rarely been seen on American Television or been pimped by HBO or Showtime so that the braindead have someone telling them he's relly "that good".

3. He was the WBO champion, which is a title respected by virtually nobody.

4. Lack of familiarity with him or the majority of his opponents.

[Guest]

4. Lack of familiarity with him or the majority of his opponents.

You could possibly also add:

5. He's not black.


But 4. amuses me the most. It never fails to astonish me how little research people on here do. Before the Lacy-Blow fight we could have had some interesting conversations as people passed around the fight videos of both fighters. Instead, we got a forum of people who didn't bother to do any research and thought the word "pwn" constituted a debate.

I'm not suggesting that the Blow has had a HOF career, but his resume is better than many suggest. Bare in mind that many fanboys on here run down his achievements while bigging up Lacy's, and they share many common opponents. If a completely shot and intimidated Robin Reid was good enough for Lacy to bash about, then why wasn't the prime version good enough to trade with the Blow? If Sheika was good enough to stun Lacy and take him the distance, then why wasn't he good enough to get blown out in five by the Blow?

All piss-taking and ****-stirring aside, I don't think anyone normal is saying that Blow is an ATG. It's just the perception (one that I hold) is that if he WAS an American, every day we'd be logging in here to NSB reading "Calzaghe is an ATG, he's better than Sugar Ray, he pwns the azzzzes, anyone who says different is a freakin' HATER, LMAO, pwn!"

[Rockin']

Would you agree that RJJ's resume is pretty ****ty as well though, lover? There's nothing that bugs me more than when you line up Hagler, Leonard and Robinson and someone says "Bernard Hopkins is as good as them, cos he beat Robert Allen."

Tarver, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Montel Griffen, Mike McCallum, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Eric Harding....... Rockin'

Thats a pretty good list there................. Rockin'

[K-DOGG]

You could possibly also add:

5. He's not black.


But 4. amuses me the most. It never fails to astonish me how little research people on here do. Before the Lacy-Blow fight we could have had some interesting conversations as people passed around the fight videos of both fighters. Instead, we got a forum of people who didn't bother to do any research and thought the word "pwn" constituted a debate.

I'm not suggesting that the Blow has had a HOF career, but his resume is better than many suggest. Bare in mind that many fanboys on here run down his achievements while bigging up Lacy's, and they share many common opponents. If a completely shot and intimidated Robin Reid was good enough for Lacy to bash about, then why wasn't the prime version good enough to trade with the Blow? If Sheika was good enough to stun Lacy and take him the distance, then why wasn't he good enough to get blown out in five by the Blow?

All piss-taking and ****-stirring aside, I don't think anyone normal is saying that Blow is an ATG. It's just the perception (one that I hold) is that if he WAS an American, every day we'd be logging in here to NSB reading "Calzaghe is an ATG, he's better than Sugar Ray, he pwns the azzzzes, anyone who says different is a freakin' HATER, LMAO, pwn!"

Annie, you know as well as I do how lazy people are; they want stuff spoon-fed to them. If research is involved, then you might as well forget about it. People will almost always resort to the stereotypes rather than do homework. I honestly don't know why you're surprised.


...oh, and your #5 I completely disagree with.

[Guest]

Annie, you know as well as I do how lazy people are; they want stuff spoon-fed to them. If research is involved, then you might as well forget about it. People will almost always resort to the stereotypes rather than do homework. I honestly don't know why you're surprised.

I know I shouldn't be, and while this forum has improved a LOT lately, I still think that was BS's nadir... that a major fight that everyone was interested in was being commented on when 90% of those discussing it hadn't even seen one of the fighters involved.

I used to never speak about fights unless I'd seen three or four fights MINIMUM. At that time I'd only seen about three of both and thought I didn't have the knowledge to make an opinion.

It's weird, that little penis Diego ****o always says that anyone who thought Blow would win must be a "homer" (even if they're not Welsh but English ) yet even my aunt saw Lacy and said that "he's wide open and misses a lot."

Why is it my aunt in her sixties noticed something that virtually no one on a "learned" boxing spectator site didn't???

[K-DOGG]

I know I shouldn't be, and while this forum has improved a LOT lately, I still think that was BS's nadir... that a major fight that everyone was interested in was being commented on when 90% of those discussing it hadn't even seen one of the fighters involved.

I used to never speak about fights unless I'd seen three or four fights MINIMUM. At that time I'd only seen about three of both and thought I didn't have the knowledge to make an opinion.

It's weird, that little penis Diego ****o always says that anyone who thought Blow would win must be a "homer" (even if they're not Welsh but English ) yet even my aunt saw Lacy and said that "he's wide open and misses a lot."

Why is it my aunt in her sixties noticed something that virtually no one on a "learned" boxing spectator site didn't???

Well you can't take anything DF says seriously seeing as how he's mostly half-parrot. But your aunt saw him fight, which is the difference between an ecucated opinion and wild guess.

[kayjay]

I know I shouldn't be, and while this forum has improved a LOT lately, I still think that was BS's nadir... that a major fight that everyone was interested in was being commented on when 90% of those discussing it hadn't even seen one of the fighters involved.

I used to never speak about fights unless I'd seen three or four fights MINIMUM. At that time I'd only seen about three of both and thought I didn't have the knowledge to make an opinion.

It's weird, that little penis Diego ****o always says that anyone who thought Blow would win must be a "homer" (even if they're not Welsh but English ) yet even my aunt saw Lacy and said that "he's wide open and misses a lot."

Why is it my aunt in her sixties noticed something that virtually no one on a "learned" boxing spectator site didn't???

This is not a learned boxing spectator site. It's a universal trashtalking-tough-guy-wannabe site with an underlying boxing motif providing minimal coherence. Watching 47 minute fight videos helps the trashtalking, but the payoff is not so great that everyone will do it.
You heard it here first.

[Guest]

This is not a learned boxing spectator site. It's a universal trashtalking-tough-guy-wannabe site with an underlying boxing motif providing minimal coherence. Watching 47 minute fight videos helps the trashtalking, but the payoff is not so great that everyone will do it.
You heard it here first.

LOL, you got it right there.

[K-DOGG]

This is not a learned boxing spectator site. It's a universal trashtalking-tough-guy-wannabe site with an underlying boxing motif providing minimal coherence. Watching 47 minute fight videos helps the trashtalking, but the payoff is not so great that everyone will do it.
You heard it here first.

LOL!!! Very articulate condemnation of casual fans.