Larry Holmes Is The Goat Heavyweight

[QueensburyRules]

Did you notice any decline in Ali's abilities immediately post exile? Did the Quarry, Frazier Ali look like the one in the Williams, Liston and Folley fights movement, leg and overall speed wise?

- -He didn't skeeter around near so much and willing to set down on his punches.

He was feeling more manly.

[cfang]

Holmes was a great fighter and sits in an all time top 5 but hes more 5 than 1. The best of his era but his best win is probably cooney. Norton was certainly towards the end of his career and he gave holmes hell. Hes my number 4 heavy of all time. Losing to spinks counts against him a little. His comeback fights definitely show how great he was.

[TonyGe]

Holmes was a great fighter and sits in an all time top 5 but hes more 5 than 1. The best of his era but his best win is probably cooney. Norton was certainly towards the end of his career and he gave holmes hell. Hes my number 4 heavy of all time. Losing to spinks counts against him a little. His comeback fights definitely show how great he was.

I like both guys but maybe favor Spinks slightly. I have a hard time believing that Spinks would beat a prime Larry Holmes.

[QueensburyRules]

I like both guys but maybe favor Spinks slightly. I have a hard time believing that Spinks would beat a prime Larry Holmes.

- -When U boys gonna figure prime Lar never fought a champ having won his title in the Ring?

It ain't rocket science or brain surgery. It's look at the record!

[MikeyMike100]

Just a thought ... Ali had been better with being a 2-time lineal champ, not losing to Spinks the first time around.

EXACTLY. I know Ali was older and towards the end of his career but that loss gets overlooked all the time

[MikeyMike100]

Holmes was a great fighter and sits in an all time top 5 but hes more 5 than 1. The best of his era but his best win is probably cooney. Norton was certainly towards the end of his career and he gave holmes hell. Hes my number 4 heavy of all time. Losing to spinks counts against him a little. His comeback fights definitely show how great he was.

Norton was still very good and should've gotten the title from Ali in the 3rd fight

[slicksouthpaw16]

EXACTLY. I know Ali was older and towards the end of his career but that loss gets overlooked all the time

It gets overlooked for great reason, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's just a few years afterwards and was shot to pieces. Do you view Louis's loss to Marciano valid as well? Lol

[slicksouthpaw16]

- -He didn't skeeter around near so much and willing to set down on his punches.

He was feeling more manly.

That's what happens when abilities deteriorate, a fighter has to adapt the best way he can. You think he wanted to take those big shots on the ropes vs Frazier? Lol and "skeeter around"? Ali had some of the most beautiful, most effective foot movement I've ever seen pre exile. Literally poetry in motion.

[QueensburyRules]

It gets overlooked for great reason, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's just a few years afterwards and was shot to pieces. Do you view Louis's loss to Marciano valid as well? Lol

- -Joe a Ring ranked fighter never shot like Ali.