Prime Langford vs. Prime Johnson

[Dr. Z]

I guess this means you know Jack and want and out. Should I continue? You can't even quote me in full context as you know I'm right.

Even your retort is wrong. I was talking about the 1909 fight with LANGFORD, not the Jeannette fight. Duh. Oh, it's quite clear you're upset. You can't even give me Johnson's three best wins, or explain way his draws and losses to lesser fighters.

I'll tell ya what sport, why not start a poll if Johnson as champion avoided his best competition on another forum. Show me where it its, I'll laugh at the results. That is if you have the " balls " to do it.

[travestyny]

I guess this means you know Jack and want and out. Should I continue? You can't even quote me in full context as you know I'm right.

Even your retort is wrong. I was talking about the 1909 fight with LANGFORD, not the Jeanette fight. Duck. Oh, it's quite clear you're upset. You can't even give me Johnson's three best wins, more use his draws and losses to lesser fighter.

Now you can't even quote me


Dude, I've asked you two times to go question for question with me, and you ducked giving an answer.


Are you ready to step up or are you going to keep ducking?

And apparently you can't follow English. I was also talking about the 1909 fight with Langford. Where is the proof Johnson signed for the May 1909 fight???


As for Johnson's 3 best wins. Easy.

Langford
Jeannette
McVey

There was already a thread about this and plenty more were mentioned like Burns, Ketchel, Jefferies.


How many times do I have to answer your questions, while you duck mine? You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Dr. Z]

Irrelevant




Oh really? You ran away form me dude Stop your bullshlt. You seriously have no balls.





All you gotta do is show the proof. I can prove Jeannette and Johnson signed for their fight. Can you prove Johnson signed for that May 1909 fight?


I'm still waiting. But you keep running away from me


Nothing you've said has ruffled my feathers. But your blatant ducking makes me laugh at you. Duck duck duck...

I already proved it, but tell me what's going to change again if I do?

Now are you going to tell me Johnson's three best wins, after all you " think " you are some type of expert.

This duck has its feathers ruffled.

Read Below, ONCE AGAIN!



May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

His Agreement to Box Before the National Sporting Club of London Was Signed with His Own Hand.

He Tried to Shift the Responsibility to Others.
World Produces Photograph of His Signed Letter - Opinion of Secretary of Club.

By William P. McLoughlin

Very few persons who have followed the course of Mistah Jack Johnson since he won the heavyweight championship of the world by walloping little Tommy Burns need to be told of the absolute indifference of the big negro to either truth or candor. Those, however, who like the man from Missouri, must "be shown" before they will believe and derive the most convincing proof of Johnson's dishonorable character from the letter which I print in this column and the photographic facsimile which accompanied that letter from London.

It will be remembered that the moment Johnson was proclaimed heavyweight champion he began to suffer from what a facetious friend of mine would call "elephantiasis of the cranium," but which the erudite Kid Griffo describes as the "swelled cocoa."

Dropped His Friends Overboard:

Johnson as soon as he gained the title, had no further use for the men who had stood by him when he was hustling after a snack of pork and chicken. Sam Fitzpatrick, who went broke and kept on borrowing from his friends to grub stake Johnson in the vague hope of getting it back when he would succeed in working the negro into the championship class, was cast aside. Johnson gave no earthly reason for this act of gross ingratitude. Fitzpatrick the faithful had to beat it back to San Francisco from Australia with all his pockets turned inside out, while the slugger he befriended arrived with bulging pocketbook and a bushel of resin unerative contracts.

More offers were made here. The negro promptly began to sidestep those to which he was already bound so as to hitch up with newer and more ******* ones. Right and left he disregarded his moral as well as literal obligations. So far did he go in this direction that in order to allay in some measure the popular indignation he began to worse than romance. He liked like the lamented Joe Mulhatton or Tom Ochiltree. He was worse than a gas meter. He blamed this, that or the other person for having signed contracts for him of which he knew nothing whatsoever.

When he threw over his agreement to box Sam Langford before the National Sporting Club in London, he declared that he had never agreed to any such proposition.

The Proof of It Is Here:

I am enabled today to present a damming proof of the four-flushing negro's duplicity and bad faith. The photograph (next column) shows Johnson's own letter to the club, signed by himself, in which he makes the offer to meet Langford. The camera does not lie.

Following is a letter from Mr. Bettinson, secretary of the National Sporting Club, which I received today:

National Sporting Club, Ltd.,
Covent Garden, W.C.
April 23, 1909

Dear Sir - I cabled you the other day that Johnson's statements were untrue, in consequence of several American newspaper cuttings I had received, in which he stated he repudiated Fitzpatrick's contracts, as if he had not any knowledge of what had been done.

Of course you will see by the enclosed photograph, that Johnson was absolutely personally responsible. In fact, the suggestion to box Langford for the same purse, win or lose, with Burns, came from him; and at the time, I thought it very decent of him to make the offer. The club did not ask him to do so, and I am quite certain we should always have been willing to have made a bigger offer, in the event of a victory over Burns. However, he is a ******, and a very bad type of one; and, as far as the club is concerned, we do not wish to bother about him, but when I see him making lying statements in the American Papers, I think it only right that I should repudiate them.

I think Johnson is throwing away the substance for the shadow, as he had 6,000 pounds worth of contracts booked up in London for six months of easy work. Of course, he may get more money in American, but I think this is pretty good booking for a black man.

I am pleased to say, we have got a good English champion. He is a big fellow, fourteen stone, and can really box well. He knocked out Moir in 2 min. 47 sec. on Monday evening last, and could do it at any time when called upon. Personally, I think he would have a great chance with Tommy Burns. How he will fare with Langford, I do not know, but he is very confident that no twelve-stone man can beat him. As a matter of fact he has seen Johnson, and think he could beat him. Still, we must wait to see how he goes with Langford before saying too much.

Sincerely yours,

A.F. Bettinson

No wonder Johnson is hissed and hooted at his every appearance on the stage here. Lovers of boxing the world over are naturally lovers of fair play. There is no other game which is so keenly sensitive to the touch of dishonor, and when there comes along a faker he generally reaps the reward for which he has sown the seen.

Langford is little better than Johnson. He has tricked and "pulled" and faked in the ring whenever it suited the purpose of his backers. He has hopped aside when Johnson almost caught with the goods on him.

I should like to see the two of 'em inside the ropes, and I'd like very much to see them wind up like the snake who got his tail in his mouth and swallowed himself holds bolus. I'd send a couple of wreaths.


^^^ You are owned on this topic, the best thing you can do is stop talking about it.

[travestyny]

I already proved it, but tell me what's going to change again if I do?

Now are you going to tell me Johnson's three best wins, after all you " think " you are some type of expert.

This duck has its feathers ruffled.

You haven't proven anything. You've just blatantly ducked my posts. You are so cowardly that you haven't even quoted the posts where I asked you specifically to agree to going question for question. If that's not cowardly, I don't know what is.

Already answered all of your questions, son. But you keep ducking me. Shows you have no confidence in anything you say. You've been proven wrong here a number of times. You should go into hiding at this point.

[travestyny]

I already proved it, but tell me what's going to change again if I do?

Now are you going to tell me Johnson's three best wins, after all you " think " you are some type of expert.

This duck has its feathers ruffled.

Read Below, ONCE AGAIN!



May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

His Agreement to Box Before the National Sporting Club of London Was Signed with His Own Hand.

He Tried to Shift the Responsibility to Others.
World Produces Photograph of His Signed Letter - Opinion of Secretary of Club.

By William P. McLoughlin

Very few persons who have followed the course of Mistah Jack Johnson since he won the heavyweight championship of the world by walloping little Tommy Burns need to be told of the absolute indifference of the big negro to either truth or candor. Those, however, who like the man from Missouri, must "be shown" before they will believe and derive the most convincing proof of Johnson's dishonorable character from the letter which I print in this column and the photographic facsimile which accompanied that letter from London.

It will be remembered that the moment Johnson was proclaimed heavyweight champion he began to suffer from what a facetious friend of mine would call "elephantiasis of the cranium," but which the erudite Kid Griffo describes as the "swelled cocoa."

Dropped His Friends Overboard:

Johnson as soon as he gained the title, had no further use for the men who had stood by him when he was hustling after a snack of pork and chicken. Sam Fitzpatrick, who went broke and kept on borrowing from his friends to grub stake Johnson in the vague hope of getting it back when he would succeed in working the negro into the championship class, was cast aside. Johnson gave no earthly reason for this act of gross ingratitude. Fitzpatrick the faithful had to beat it back to San Francisco from Australia with all his pockets turned inside out, while the slugger he befriended arrived with bulging pocketbook and a bushel of resin unerative contracts.

More offers were made here. The negro promptly began to sidestep those to which he was already bound so as to hitch up with newer and more ******* ones. Right and left he disregarded his moral as well as literal obligations. So far did he go in this direction that in order to allay in some measure the popular indignation he began to worse than romance. He liked like the lamented Joe Mulhatton or Tom Ochiltree. He was worse than a gas meter. He blamed this, that or the other person for having signed contracts for him of which he knew nothing whatsoever.

When he threw over his agreement to box Sam Langford before the National Sporting Club in London, he declared that he had never agreed to any such proposition.

The Proof of It Is Here:

I am enabled today to present a damming proof of the four-flushing negro's duplicity and bad faith. The photograph (next column) shows Johnson's own letter to the club, signed by himself, in which he makes the offer to meet Langford. The camera does not lie.

Following is a letter from Mr. Bettinson, secretary of the National Sporting Club, which I received today:

National Sporting Club, Ltd.,
Covent Garden, W.C.
April 23, 1909

Dear Sir - I cabled you the other day that Johnson's statements were untrue, in consequence of several American newspaper cuttings I had received, in which he stated he repudiated Fitzpatrick's contracts, as if he had not any knowledge of what had been done.

Of course you will see by the enclosed photograph, that Johnson was absolutely personally responsible. In fact, the suggestion to box Langford for the same purse, win or lose, with Burns, came from him; and at the time, I thought it very decent of him to make the offer. The club did not ask him to do so, and I am quite certain we should always have been willing to have made a bigger offer, in the event of a victory over Burns. However, he is a ******, and a very bad type of one; and, as far as the club is concerned, we do not wish to bother about him, but when I see him making lying statements in the American Papers, I think it only right that I should repudiate them.

I think Johnson is throwing away the substance for the shadow, as he had 6,000 pounds worth of contracts booked up in London for six months of easy work. Of course, he may get more money in American, but I think this is pretty good booking for a black man.

I am pleased to say, we have got a good English champion. He is a big fellow, fourteen stone, and can really box well. He knocked out Moir in 2 min. 47 sec. on Monday evening last, and could do it at any time when called upon. Personally, I think he would have a great chance with Tommy Burns. How he will fare with Langford, I do not know, but he is very confident that no twelve-stone man can beat him. As a matter of fact he has seen Johnson, and think he could beat him. Still, we must wait to see how he goes with Langford before saying too much.

Sincerely yours,

A.F. Bettinson

No wonder Johnson is hissed and hooted at his every appearance on the stage here. Lovers of boxing the world over are naturally lovers of fair play. There is no other game which is so keenly sensitive to the touch of dishonor, and when there comes along a faker he generally reaps the reward for which he has sown the seen.

Langford is little better than Johnson. He has tricked and "pulled" and faked in the ring whenever it suited the purpose of his backers. He has hopped aside when Johnson almost caught with the goods on him.

I should like to see the two of 'em inside the ropes, and I'd like very much to see them wind up like the snake who got his tail in his mouth and swallowed himself holds bolus. I'd send a couple of wreaths.


^^^ You are owned on this topic, the best thing you can do is stop talking about it.

You dumbass. This is what they claimed he signed.

“Gentleman,

I undertake and agree to carry out my contest with Sam Langford on the 22nd February 1909, on the same terms and conditions as already arranged with Langford, viz., 1000 pounds purse and one third of the interest in any bioscope pictures that may be taken. At the same time allow me to tender my thanks to you for the courtesy you have extended to myself and my manager, Mr. Sam Fitzpatrick, whilst we have been in this country.

I am, gentleman,
Yours faithfully,
J. Johnson.”

So where is the signing for the May 1909 fight?


Waitinggggggg.....


I bet you duck it

[Dr. Z]

DUDE,

Read the
May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

It's over. He signed a contract to meet Langford and ran away from it. You duck me, and can't even answer a simple request like Johnson's best three wins, or why he lost and drew to lesser men so often! I own you on this topic, you know it, and so do I.

Start reading from

When he threw over his agreement to box Sam Langford before the National Sporting Club in London, he declared that he had never agreed to any such proposition. ( LIAR )

The Proof of It Is Here:

[travestyny]

DUDE,

Read the
May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

It's over. He signed a contract to meet Langford and ran away from it. You duck me, and can't even answer a simple request like Johnson's best three wins, or why he lost and drew to lesser men so often! I own you on this topic, you know it, and so do I.

Where is the signing for the May 1909 fight, son? They claimed he agreed for February, which they agreed was off.


They then tried to get BOTH Langford and Johnson to agree for May.


So where is the proof? You got it? Or you still going to keep ducking. Ducking to the point that you can't even quote me

[Dr. Z]

More Johnson signs to meet that never happens! Is this moron going to deny this too?

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/1168...to-fight-both/

Hahaha

[travestyny]

More Johnson signs to meet that never happens! Is this moron going to deny this too?

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/1168...to-fight-both/

Hahaha

That's the one that was pulled by the promoter dumbass


Stop embarrassing yourself. You are trying hard, but failing.

LMAOOOO

[travestyny]

And you ducked this. The proof that they claimed he was down for February, but no word of him signing for May.

Clearly states that this is the contract that Bennison released. It's regarding the fight for FEBRUARY.

It also clearly states that Johnson says he did NOT sign a contract for MAY.

Mind you, a contract that it was already revealed that even Langford hadn't signed as of yet. And they were still working out the money for Langford and pitching offers for both of them. So why is it that the terms were all agreed upon if they are still negotiating with the fighters, hmmm?

Woodman has wired Bettison stating his terms and if the latter agrees to them the match will likely be made within the next few days.

The English club officials asked the two blacks several months ago to agree to fight in London in the event that Johnson was successful over Burns and both apparently promised at that time.The men have received several offers from Bettison since, but as no definite date was fixed the matter was allowed to drag.