is Golovkin a top all time 15 great at middleweight?

[ShoulderRoll]

Fair enough, but the facts mostly agree with me. Tiger, Toney and Nunn in the top 15? Wow. Maybe Toney, as for the two others no way.

Tiger Flowers beat Greb. Which is a better win than any Golovkin has or ever will have on his resume.

Or did you mean **** Tiger? He beat Gene Fullmer and Joey Giardello which, again, are better than any win Golovkin has at 160.

Michael Nunn would likely have beaten Golovkin by decision. Daniel Jacobs did according to British and Mexican commentators but didn't get the nod. Nunn was a much better version of Jacobs.

take away steele,gibbons,Hopkins,Zale,lamotta,ketchel and possibly Toney and you have golovkin there.
The same faults you pass on golovkin are the faults you applaud Toney with as a middleweight as the only names he boxed as middleweight champion were Nunn and McCallum who he drew with...the rest the were low level challengers.
Again your bias towards golovkin sees no bounds ....is it a colour thing ?
I’ve got your number shoulder

You can remove those greats but I can throw in Rodrigo Valdes,Nino Benvenuti, and some of the Black Murderer's Row fighters. Middleweight is historically very deep.

Don't bring race baiting into this. My list includes fighters of all colors in case you didn't notice.

I think the first two names are fair points for in his prime, although as you showed Mora wouldn't really do much to boost his resume.

Andrade and Charlo though are both more recent callouts and are part of the post prime for GGG. The Charlo callout you cited came after the 2nd Canelo fight when most agree G was an old fighter. Which is kind of how his career at 160 has been; lots of people calling him out after he hit his mid-to-late 30s

If you want to limit Golovkin's best years to 2010-2015 that's up to you. I 'm a little suspect of that choice because it allows his fans to conveniently make the claim that Canelo had close fights with a past prime Golovkin. But it is what it is.

Al least we can agree that he passed over Lara and Mora during that period. And Mora WOULD be a boost to his resume, as sad as that may sound.

If he could fight Canelo I don't see why he couldn't fight Charlo. Just another high risk opponent missed.

[DeeMoney]

Tiger Flowers beat Greb. Which is a better win than any Golovkin has or ever will have on his resume.

Or did you mean **** Tiger? He beat Gene Fullmer and Joey Giardello which, again, are better than any win Golovkin has at 160.

Michael Nunn would likely have beaten Golovkin by decision. Daniel Jacobs did according to British and Mexican commentators but didn't get the nod. Nunn was a much better version of Jacobs.



You can remove those greats but I can throw in Rodrigo Valdes,Nino Benvenuti, and some of the Black Murderer's Row fighters. Middleweight is historically very deep.

Don't bring race baiting into this. My list includes fighters of all colors in case you didn't notice.



If you want to limit Golovkin's best years to 2010-2015 that's up to you. I 'm a little suspect of that choice because it allows his fans to conveniently make the claim that Canelo had close fights with a past prime Golovkin. But it is what it is.

Al least we can agree that he passed over Lara and Mora during that period. And Mora WOULD be a boost to his resume, as sad as that may sound.

If he could fight Canelo I don't see why he couldn't fight Charlo. Just another high risk opponent missed.

I don't see how you could go much past 2015 when talking about his prime, his age alone darn near prohibits any fair assessment otherwise. Combine that with his style of taking punches and you can't honestly say he was at his best much later than that.

Heck, consider that by the time GGG fought Canelo he was older than both Monzon and Hagler were at their retirement. He was clearly past prime by then.

[thebrownbomber_]

Sorry, but canelo beat GGG in the rematch

[The plunger man]

Tiger Flowers beat Greb. Which is a better win than any Golovkin has or ever will have on his resume.

Or did you mean **** Tiger? He beat Gene Fullmer and Joey Giardello which, again, are better than any win Golovkin has at 160.

Michael Nunn would likely have beaten Golovkin by decision. Daniel Jacobs did according to British and Mexican commentators but didn't get the nod. Nunn was a much better version of Jacobs.



You can remove those greats but I can throw in Rodrigo Valdes,Nino Benvenuti, and some of the Black Murderer's Row fighters. Middleweight is historically very deep.

Don't bring race baiting into this. My list includes fighters of all colors in case you didn't notice.



If you want to limit Golovkin's best years to 2010-2015 that's up to you. I 'm a little suspect of that choice because it allows his fans to conveniently make the claim that Canelo had close fights with a past prime Golovkin. But it is what it is.

Al least we can agree that he passed over Lara and Mora during that period. And Mora WOULD be a boost to his resume, as sad as that may sound.

If he could fight Canelo I don't see why he couldn't fight Charlo. Just another high risk opponent missed.

nunn struggled with welterweight marlon starling in his reign as middleweight and yet you say he would have outboxed golovkin....do me a favour and talk sense.
Lara would never have stepped in the ring with golovkin you know that and I know that.
It was just talk.
Golovkin was almost 36 against jacobs and shows how skewed you are.
He beat canelo the first time and at worst it was a draw even when he was 35.
Nunn would have been broken up and knocked out.
Golovkin was the bogey man and almost every champion avoided him like the plague when he was tearing up the division.
We are not talking P4P we talking middleweights and golovkin would crack the top 10 and you just cannot shrug off his record.
He has the most defences as a middleweight ever and has 2 very dodgy decisions against him even at the *** end of his career.
Could his record have more names on it ...yeah of course but so could many.
He’s 38 ffs and still is arguably the best middleweight in the world.
I would say
Robinson
Hagler
Jones
Greb
Monzon
Toney are above golovkin the others may have a better win but they also have many losses to lesser fighters and didn’t make as many defences as him.
As I said they avoided golovkin like the plague and that’s documented

[ShoulderRoll]

Lara would never have stepped in the ring with golovkin you know that and I know that.
It was just talk.

Wrong. Team Golovkin avoided him like the plague.



"In the last few months, Lara - who holds the WBA/IBO titles at junior middleweight - has demanded a fight with Golovkin.

Lara is not alone. Former WBC 154-pound champion Sergio Mora (28-3-2, 9KOs) was also calling for a shot at Golovkin...

Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, presented both options to Sanchez - who rejected them both.

"When Tom came to me and offered Lara and Sergio Mora, I'm the one who said 'I don't want those fights.' I'm the one who said that before there was a chance to have it discussed with Gennady. I told that to Tom, because first of all Lara has not earned the right to fight Golovkin...

And as far as Mora, I don't think he's done enough either. Just because he's fighting Jacobs, who's with Al [Haymon], good for him - because that's the only reason he's getting that opportunity [is because both of them are with Haymon]. But in my opinion Mora has not done enough to earn a fight with Golovkin."

Golovkin's Coach: What Has Lara Done To Earn a Shot?

https://www.boxingscene.com/shields-offers-charlo-lara-replace-canelo-fight-golovkin--126952k

[Mooshashi]

Like I said, Canelo signed up for year-round VADA then went on to look even better while clean in the second fight.

Ward passed on draining himself to 164. Golovkin passed on a chance to really challenge himself and prove greatness.

15 better middleweights? I'll take a stab at it.

Stanley Ketchel
Mike Gibbons
Tiger Flowers
Harry Greb
Micky Walker
Freddie Steele
Tony Zale
Sugar Ray Robinson
Marcel Cerdan
Jake LaMotta
**** Tiger
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Michael Nunn
James Toney
Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins

That's more than 15 I guess. But there you go.

Nice list, but I think GGG would overpower several of these guys. Ketchel for sure; maybe Gibbons (a very good boxer), Cerdan and Nunn as well. He'd be competitive vs almost all the rest, although Robinson and Jones would outbox him. I also don't think Hopkins wins and maybe not Toney only because he had to starve himself to get down to 160.

LaMotta-GGG would be like Gatti-Ward, only 10 times better.

[Dr. Z]

Tiger Flowers beat Greb. Which is a better win than any Golovkin has or ever will have on his resume.

Or did you mean **** Tiger? He beat Gene Fullmer and Joey Giardello which, again, are better than any win Golovkin has at 160.

Michael Nunn would likely have beaten Golovkin by decision. Daniel Jacobs did according to British and Mexican commentators but didn't get the nod. Nunn was a much better version of Jacobs.



You can remove those greats but I can throw in Rodrigo Valdes,Nino Benvenuti, and some of the Black Murderer's Row fighters. Middleweight is historically very deep.

Don't bring race baiting into this. My list includes fighters of all colors in case you didn't notice.



If you want to limit Golovkin's best years to 2010-2015 that's up to you. I 'm a little suspect of that choice because it allows his fans to conveniently make the claim that Canelo had close fights with a past prime Golovkin. But it is what it is.

Al least we can agree that he passed over Lara and Mora during that period. And Mora WOULD be a boost to his resume, as sad as that may sound.

If he could fight Canelo I don't see why he couldn't fight Charlo. Just another high risk opponent missed.

Flowers beat Greb just like Canelo beat Golovkin. A bad decision ( SD ), and this one has no film. Read the papers and keep in mind Greb had vision issues at this point.

Tiger lost a lot and not only to top level fighters. 19 losses, 3 draws! Sure if you fight enough you'll beat someone.But this losses? He did not hit that hard, nd was short. GGG beats him.

Nunn was a good fighter. How many title defenses did he have?

GGG is now 38 and if you know who to score a fight should be un-defeated.

[Rick Taylor]

Nunn was a good fighter.

No he wasn't lol

GGG is now 38 and if you know who to score a fight should be un-defeated.

True

[QueensburyRules]

- -Toney and Popkins ain't top nutin'.

Golovkin is up there in the top five.

Had Canelo by a point in the first fight, so I didn't holler about the draw because it was so close. Golovkin whooped in the rematch, easy to score. He never took ring center and was blasted backwards every attempt. Canelo sent out the message loud and clear.

[Dr. Z]

No he wasn't lol



True

At his best Nunn was a good fighter. He was well ahead of Toney on points, who could not deal with his rangy offense.