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  • Bundana
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    #21
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules
    - -Slight of hand stuff about how boxing disorganized everything it touches.

    https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T..._Ratings:_1976

    Note 76 was actually chosen in March of 77 by which time George had retired, so fer shlts and giggles check out who Lar fought that March buried in the undercard, why it's none other than novice Horace Robinson...WoW

    Same deal with the 94 rankings chosen in 95 by which George had aleady made two title defenses.

    U a treasure that just keeps on giving...literally priceless!
    No, the 76 ratings were not chosen in March 77 - they appeared in the March issue, but were of course chosen at the end of the previous year. Hence the "Annual Ratings".

    Same deal with the 94 rankings, picked at the end of that year - but didn't appear in The Ring until the April 95 issue.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Bundana
      No, the 76 ratings were not chosen in March 77 - they appeared in the March issue, but were of course chosen at the end of the previous year. Hence the "Annual Ratings".

      Same deal with the 94 rankings, picked at the end of that year - but didn't appear in The Ring until the April 95 issue.
      - -Uh oh, looks like U caught the notorious Dumbo Virus raging BS. Don't think they be a vacine, so hitch up U britches and ride it out the best U can.

      Recover stronger and smarter if U don't prematurely decease.

      Selected by Ring for their 1977 March edition. Had they selected by November of 76 for example, they'd have it out for Dec 76.

      That ain't what they said and that ain't what happened.

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        #23
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules
        - -Uh oh, looks like U caught the notorious Dumbo Virus raging BS. Don't think they be a vacine, so hitch up U britches and ride it out the best U can.

        Recover stronger and smarter if U don't prematurely decease.

        Selected by Ring for their 1977 March edition. Had they selected by November of 76 for example, they'd have it out for Dec 76.

        That ain't what they said and that ain't what happened.
        Back then it took forever to put the magazine together - after which it was sent out to subscribers and distribuated to newsstands.

        So by the time you got your hands on the latest edition, you could read about things that had taken place a couple of months before.

        Also, let's say a magazine hit the newsstands in late January. They would likely label that the March or April issue... so fans would be convinced, this was the absolutely newest issue.

        So if their annual rankings were published in such an issue, it wasn't supposed to show how things stood in April, or even in March - as those months had not happened yet!
        Last edited by Bundana; 12-07-2020, 08:49 PM.

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          #24
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules
          - -Slight of hand stuff about how boxing disorganized everything it touches.

          https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T..._Ratings:_1976

          Note 76 was actually chosen in March of 77 by which time George had retired, so fer shlts and giggles check out who Lar fought that March buried in the undercard, why it's none other than novice Horace Robinson...WoW

          Same deal with the 94 rankings chosen in 95 by which George had aleady made two title defenses.

          U a treasure that just keeps on giving...literally priceless!
          Lol, you're not going to change the facts no matter how badly you try. You erroneously said that Holmes and Foreman were never ranked at the same time. That was another untrue statement by you and it has been proven.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Bundana
            No, the 76 ratings were not chosen in March 77 - they appeared in the March issue, but were of course chosen at the end of the previous year. Hence the "Annual Ratings".

            Same deal with the 94 rankings, picked at the end of that year - but didn't appear in The Ring until the April 95 issue.
            Originally posted by Bundana
            Back then it took forever to put the magazine together - after which it was sent out to subscribers and distribuated to newsstands.

            So by the time you got your hands on the latest edition, you could read about things that had taken place a couple of months before.

            Also, let's say a magazine hit the newsstands in late January. They would likely label that the March or April issue... so fans would be convinced, this was the absolutely newest issue.

            So if their annual rankings were published in such an issue, it wasn't supposed to show how things stood in April, or even in March - as those months had not happened yet!
            Thank you!! I would think anyone who is old enough to have bought boxing magazines back then, particularly "The Ring" would be able to understand this. Unfortunately Kickball likes to keep his head in the sand when it doesn't suit his agenda.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Dr. Z
              Enclosed are my top 15 ranked heavyweights by 20-year intervals. The criteria for the ranking as follows.

              1 ) Head to head vs. the field, which is strictly my personal opinion. 40%

              2 ) Resume of wins and losses, excluding losses that happened when a fighter was passed their prime. 30%

              3 ) The distinction of the fighter as champion by beating top contenders in title matches if applicable. 20%

              4 ) Historians input, which matters most to fighters, not on film. 10%
              I will try to list each fighter only once, placing him closest to his prime years. I am also open to shifting the ratings a bit, as this is the 1st draft. So constructive feedback with explanations is most welcome.

              1885-1905 Pioneer era: The transitional time between bare knuckles and London Prize-ring rules to Queensberry rules.

              1.Jeffries
              2.Fitzsimmons
              3A. Jackson
              3B. Corbett
              5. Sullivan
              6. Sharkey
              7. Slavin
              8. Ruhlin
              9. Goddard
              10. Griffin
              11. Maher
              12. Choynski
              13. Hart
              14. McCoy
              15. O’Brien


              1906-1925 Black and white filmed era:

              1. Dempsey
              2. Tunney
              3. J Johnson
              4. Langford
              5. Wills
              6. Jeanette
              7. McVey
              8. Willard
              9. Greb
              10. Gibbons
              11. Burns
              12. Miske
              13. Godfrey
              14. Norfolk
              15. Smith

              1926-1945 Great Depression to World War II: An era where war and the great depression in the USA hurt boxing. I have trouble with the bottom of this list, as the depth is rather thin.

              1. Louis
              2. Charles
              3. Schmeling
              4. M Baer
              5. Carnera
              6. Godfrey
              7. Moore
              8. Bivins
              9. Schaff
              10. Conn
              11. *****
              12. Pastor
              13. Farr
              14. Loughran
              15. Galento

              1946-1965 Golden age era:

              1. Liston
              2. Marciano
              3. Patterson
              4. Walcott
              5. Charles
              6. Johansson
              7. Ray
              8. Terrell
              9. Machen
              10. Folley
              11. Williams
              12. H. Johnson
              13. Valdes
              14. D Jones
              15. Chuvalo




              1966-1985: TV expansion to Cable and PPV: This era is loaded with talent.

              1. Ali
              2. Holmes
              3. Foreman
              4. Frazier
              5. Norton
              6. Witherspoon
              7. Thomas
              8. Quarry
              9. Page
              10. Coetzee
              11. Shavers
              12. Lyle
              13. Cooney
              14. Young
              15. Weaver


              1986-2003: 12 round era and super heavyweight era. This era had tremendous depth and a lot of talent.

              1. Lewis
              2. Holyfield
              3. Tyson
              4. Bowe
              5. Ibeabuchi
              6.Byrd
              7. Moorer
              8. Mercer
              9. Douglas
              10. Tua
              11. Morrison
              12. Bruno
              13. Rhaman
              14. Ruiz
              15. McCall




              2004-2024 – Eastern European dominance era. While this era is only half over, the nations producing the top talent has shifted. Once the iron curtain in Eastern Europe fell both the amateur and professional ranks have been dominated by Eastern Europeans. Only 2 Americans made the top ten. Since many of the below fighters career’s are over, and future talent in the amateurs will arrive, this list will likely look very different after the Klitshcko’s come 2026. It is possible young pros such as Joshua will rate in the next 4 years. Hopefully, we will all be here to debate it!

              1A. V Klitschko
              1B. W Kltischko
              3. Povetkin
              4. Joshua* Still active
              5. Fury* Still active
              6. Chagaev
              7. Sanders
              8. Ibragimov
              9. Wilder * Still active
              10. Haye
              11. Adamek
              12. Chambers
              13. Brewster
              14. Peter
              15. Valuev


              *** If Pulev beats Joshua, he's on the list ***
              Holy sht!!!! And your a new account??? First glance I wanted to call Bsht! But then I did more than glance.... Great lists.

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                #27
                Originally posted by travestyny
                Whether we agree or not, it's a matter of opinion to some degree. At least you put in the work and were willing to share. Salute.
                That was my thought!!! Way before my time....I think boxing was invented in the 90's lol. There was some serious thought in those lists. And research. Maybe some will have a lil problem. Here and there but I don't

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Shadoww702
                  That was my thought!!! Way before my time....I think boxing was invented in the 90's lol. There was some serious thought in those lists. And research. Maybe some will have a lil problem. Here and there but I don't
                  Nice to see you outside of the lounge. lol. Nice avy also!

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by travestyny
                    Nice to see you outside of the lounge. lol. Nice avy also!
                    I had to drop a few avatar pics before I would post. After fighting in the pits you have to clean up and come right...

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by JAB5239
                      Thank you!! I would think anyone who is old enough to have bought boxing magazines back then, particularly "The Ring" would be able to understand this. Unfortunately Kickball likes to keep his head in the sand when it doesn't suit his agenda.
                      The bizarre thing is, that when he's presented with FACTUAL information (like Foreman and Holmes being ranked at the same time)... he responds with childish, personal attacks.

                      It makes me wonder, if he's actually being serious... or he's really just laughing his a** off, while trolling us?

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