Lomachenko In The Firmament Of All Time

[Rusty Tromboni]

TRUE! -- more so because Lopez (and team) targeted Loma and spent two years preparing Teofimo to beat him.

I am not sure what you meant by the 'the anvil' remark with Pep, but Willie Pep once complained that Saddler was groomed and prepared for the sole purpose of beating him (maybe it was sour g****s, maybe it was just that.)

No doubt Lopez was bigger and his people targeted Loma because of his size, but on the other side of it, you have to give the kid credit he did his part, he stepped up and beat a great fighter.

Willie Pep only once ventured north of Featherweight. He was soundly beat by Sammy Angott. My bad, I called him "The Anvil", but his nickname was "The Clutch". Same idea.

Maybe a rematch would have resulted differently, but Pep never ventured into the Lightweight depths, again.

The fight was close, and Loma really can't be faulted much for how things transpired.

[Anthony342]

Robinson had fought for years when he fought Maxim. It could indeed be argued that he was in his twilight. its not all about age, it is also about wear and tear, divisions fought in, etc. Why do you think robinson was coming up to light heavy? No, it was not just to win another division title... He was past making weight in a premier division... Light heavy was never the talent that the Welters had. Anthony is correct, Robinson was indeed slowing down.

did you think you had something Pookie? No... And the BS about when robinson ever looked better, put that back in your a ss where it belongs, it is nonsense. As far as when Robinson passed his prime, that is actually a debatable question. Most people think Robinson was at his best at his lightest, some think otherwise... NOBODY thinks he was going to be a lightheavy juggernaught! its like floyd... he was great at 130-135.


See you don't look at things like weight carefully and make assumptions big mouth. Many people would agree that when Robinson tried to jump up, he was in his twilight. Stop cherry picking fights with Robinson... it does not work. He fought so much that it makes you look even more like a dolt.

Exactly. And Robinson obviously looked better before that. Or like you said at welter. And this moron has the balls to mention idiocy when that's all he posts. I bet this fool probably even graduated high school. Stick to MMA. Or maybe tiddly winks.

[Rusty Tromboni]

lol.

Over the years had plenty of submissive Asian women

it must've been a relief to finally not elicit laughter from women when taking your pants off.

[Rusty Tromboni]

These days 23 is a kid. In boxing's golden age when a fighter took up the craft as a youngster things were different.

Loma is limited. I think the world of the ammies, love the cuban fighters particularly... But the training is very one dimensional when compared to professional prize fighting.

Lopez has been groomed since childhood, you goon.

All the fumes from that graffiti you sprayed on the subway has really rotted your brain.

Rigo is basically a caricature of Mayweather - who didn't do particularly well in the Amateur ranks, and crafted himself as a professional. Rigo's defense is so complete, he's hermetically sealed. And that righthand is a thing of beauty. He's almost TOO good for his own good - he's painfully boring to watch. And the only fighter who ever had an answer to him, was the one guy (besides, maybe, Lazlo Papp) who can actually claim a greater Amateur pedigree. What Lomachenko did that night in dissecting Rigo was unreal, and if you ever bothered to actually watch Boxing matches, you'd realize we've never seen anything like it.

Really, dude, I admire your persistence. Most folks, when exposed as liars tend to clam up, but you double-down. You just keep spamming us with more lies. I actually do believe you have convinced yourself you know what you're talking about. But when pressed to explain yourself, you wig out because it threatens to shatter the world of make believe you've constructed for yourself.

Please, because I can't resist, explain to us how Loma is too "one dimensional" and how a fighter with more professional experience is more ... multi-faceted.

Loma is limited, and has a weakness with big, physical fighters...

Something tells me that Linares, Pedraza, Campbell and Garcia would disagree with that, but OK. Tank wants nothing to do with him. And no one is crying about him having abandoned the Featherweight and Light Heavyweight divisions where he belongs, since he'd be shooting fish in a barrel.

But hey, Pastrami-on-Rye guy says otherwise. It's the world that's wrong.

If you actually bothered to watch the Lopez fight, when Loma stopped trying play matador and became the bull, he took over. Lopez had a final rally in the 12th round to swing things back his way, but his success was largely determined by Loma's strategy, less his own doing. Really, had Loma stepped on the gas earlier, you'd be denied this opportunity to make an ass of yourself (again... for the 300th time).

Again, you can't name a natural Featherweight who has accomplished what Lomachenko has at Lightweight. But that's exactly the point isn't it? The more absurd challenge, the louder your declare it. Normal is overrated, right George?

You cite Robinson's losses, forgetting how many times he won... Streaks of over 100 wins at a time. You then prop up fighters like Rigo, who, while talented, has a similar limited background due to the ammies...

More evidence that the crack epidemic that shook the sh'it hole that is NYC was just youse trying self-medicate against the ****** you caught drinking municipal water.

Let me put this to you in language even you'll understand: McDonald's!

Now I got your attention, don't I!?

I get it, compared to the boxes and cans of "food" you get from the Bodega anything hot probably feels like "real" food. Sorry, it's not. But hang with me.

Imagine eating a steak. I'm sure you have. Not often, but I am sure it's happened at least a handful of times. Now how many Big Macs do you eat between steaks? A lot! Right? So imagine lots and lots of Big Macs added up... how many do you think it would take to have as much MEAT from those little patties to equal a 16 oz Ribeye? And when you stacked them all up and took a big bite, do you think it would taste anything nearly as good as the steak, or would it just be a giant disappointment?

Sorry for ruining your dinner, but it's hard to get through to you. I have been at it for years. That analogy was my best bet for meeting you on your level.

When Robinson spends the first decade of his career fighting guys like Johnny Dudley (35-27-5), Vern Lester (25-27-15), Benny Evans (40-35-5), Cecil Hudson (59-30-4), (Freddie Flores (21-38-10), Gene Buffalo (113-32-11), Ossie Harris (41-46-5), Sammy Secreet (30-20-2), Izzy Jannazzo (63-42-15), Victor Troise (20-29-10), Frankie Wallace (34-55-20), and many of them SEVERAL TIMES OVER, I can't help but think he wasn't being pushed very hard. Where did they find these guys!? A soup line!? Were they jockeys who got fat? Or criminals farmed out by the DOJ? How did they even get licensed to fight!? What physician is going to clear a dude with double-digit losses to fight? I had my collegiate career ruined by a *relatively* minor knee injury and would have lost my scholarship, but for the finagling of my coach. I was a liabilty to continue Wrestling. So, I read Ray's record and an alarm is going off in my head "LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT!" It's not just su****iously illegal, it's con****uously immoral!


Not only has Robinson never fought anyone as good as Rigo, or Lopez, or even Russell Jr. or Campbell, Lomachenko AS AN AMATEUR never fought anyone as bad as those poor souls.

Guys like Docusen, Abrams, LaMotta, and Gavilan tested him. I hardly think it's an exaggeration to say that Robinson had a fairly comfortable start to his career.

And again, he looks phenomenal in the fight with Maxim. Better than he did in his final installment against (a desiccated) LaMotta or his rematch with (a still green) Turpin. The fact that he would return to the ring several years later and author such feats as his one-punch KO of Fullmer (the only KO of his career), damn near kill Bobo Olson (probably the actual best opponent he ever beat) on SEVERAL occasions, and was getting fights with guys like Joey Archer in his 40s tells you that Ray had plenty left in him. He just pursued a HORRIBLE strategy.

Do you have any idea what the Special Sauce is on your Big Mac? HAving known people close to Jim Dellagatti, I can tell you ... if you stop evading my questions.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Robinson had fought for years when he fought Maxim. It could indeed be argued that he was in his twilight.

Hahahahaha! No. Not at all. No one ever suggested as much. If anything he was getting better.

Where do you get your information from?

Do you talk like this to your shrink?

Do you think it's normal spending your life confined to a straight-jacket?

Do you ever wonder why people don't come to visit... it wouldn't be your crazy talk, would it?

Why do you think robinson was coming up to light heavy? No, it was not just to win another division title... He was past making weight in a premier division... Light heavy was never the talent that the Welters had. Anthony is correct, Robinson was indeed slowing down.

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I'm in stitches.

Welterweight more stacked than Light Heavyweight!?!?!?

Robinson weighed 157 for the Maxim fight. Almost 15 years later he'd meet the inimitable Joey Archer in his final fight, and scale in at 160 for their Middleweight tilt. You sad, little man. See what happens when people can call you out on your lies?

Most people think Robinson was at his best at his lightest, some think otherwise... NOBODY thinks he was going to be a lightheavy juggernaught! its like floyd... he was great at 130-135.

the lunch lady was your best (only) friend in school, huh? Well, quality over quantity, I guess. And you two always had a table to yourselves.

No one thinks Robinson was his best at Lightweight.

Most claim he was best at Welterweight. But anyone who cares to review the sources will see that Robinson was already a Middleweight before he fought for the Welterweight strap. He really only returned to Welterweight to defend said belt. And he spent his prime (late 20's-early/mid 30's fighting at Middleweight. It's not that Ray got worse, it's that the competition got bigger and better.

And no one ever claimed he was going to be a Light Heavyweight Juggernaut, but Greb and Walker were smaller men than Ray and they indeed WERE Juggernauts at 175 - and above!

[billeau2]

Exactly. And Robinson obviously looked better before that. Or like you said at welter. And this moron has the balls to mention idiocy when that's all he posts. I bet this fool probably even graduated high school. Stick to MMA. Or maybe tiddly winks.

Easy now... your taking about the head of the polish aeronautical agency, .. rusty was on the committee to travel to the sun. His proposal was one of two adapted. The first was to go At night, rusty also suggested opening the window.

[billeau2]

it must've been a relief to finally not elicit laughter from women when taking your pants off.

Ouch... that hurts as much as the karate nonsense. You don't know how to find the buttons to push do you?

[billeau2]

Lopez has been groomed since childhood, you goon.

All the fumes from that graffiti you sprayed on the subway has really rotted your brain.

Rigo is basically a caricature of Mayweather - who didn't do particularly well in the Amateur ranks, and crafted himself as a professional. Rigo's defense is so complete, he's hermetically sealed. And that righthand is a thing of beauty. He's almost TOO good for his own good - he's painfully boring to watch. And the only fighter who ever had an answer to him, was the one guy (besides, maybe, Lazlo Papp) who can actually claim a greater Amateur pedigree. What Lomachenko did that night in dissecting Rigo was unreal, and if you ever bothered to actually watch Boxing matches, you'd realize we've never seen anything like it.

Really, dude, I admire your persistence. Most folks, when exposed as liars tend to clam up, but you double-down. You just keep spamming us with more lies. I actually do believe you have convinced yourself you know what you're talking about. But when pressed to explain yourself, you wig out because it threatens to shatter the world of make believe you've constructed for yourself.

Please, because I can't resist, explain to us how Loma is too "one dimensional" and how a fighter with more professional experience is more ... multi-faceted.




Something tells me that Linares, Pedraza, Campbell and Garcia would disagree with that, but OK. Tank wants nothing to do with him. And no one is crying about him having abandoned the Featherweight and Light Heavyweight divisions where he belongs, since he'd be shooting fish in a barrel.

But hey, Pastrami-on-Rye guy says otherwise. It's the world that's wrong.

If you actually bothered to watch the Lopez fight, when Loma stopped trying play matador and became the bull, he took over. Lopez had a final rally in the 12th round to swing things back his way, but his success was largely determined by Loma's strategy, less his own doing. Really, had Loma stepped on the gas earlier, you'd be denied this opportunity to make an ass of yourself (again... for the 300th time).

Again, you can't name a natural Featherweight who has accomplished what Lomachenko has at Lightweight. But that's exactly the point isn't it? The more absurd challenge, the louder your declare it. Normal is overrated, right George?



More evidence that the crack epidemic that shook the sh'it hole that is NYC was just youse trying self-medicate against the ****** you caught drinking municipal water.

Let me put this to you in language even you'll understand: McDonald's!

Now I got your attention, don't I!?

I get it, compared to the boxes and cans of "food" you get from the Bodega anything hot probably feels like "real" food. Sorry, it's not. But hang with me.

Imagine eating a steak. I'm sure you have. Not often, but I am sure it's happened at least a handful of times. Now how many Big Macs do you eat between steaks? A lot! Right? So imagine lots and lots of Big Macs added up... how many do you think it would take to have as much MEAT from those little patties to equal a 16 oz Ribeye? And when you stacked them all up and took a big bite, do you think it would taste anything nearly as good as the steak, or would it just be a giant disappointment?

Sorry for ruining your dinner, but it's hard to get through to you. I have been at it for years. That analogy was my best bet for meeting you on your level.

When Robinson spends the first decade of his career fighting guys like Johnny Dudley (35-27-5), Vern Lester (25-27-15), Benny Evans (40-35-5), Cecil Hudson (59-30-4), (Freddie Flores (21-38-10), Gene Buffalo (113-32-11), Ossie Harris (41-46-5), Sammy Secreet (30-20-2), Izzy Jannazzo (63-42-15), Victor Troise (20-29-10), Frankie Wallace (34-55-20), and many of them SEVERAL TIMES OVER, I can't help but think he wasn't being pushed very hard. Where did they find these guys!? A soup line!? Were they jockeys who got fat? Or criminals farmed out by the DOJ? How did they even get licensed to fight!? What physician is going to clear a dude with double-digit losses to fight? I had my collegiate career ruined by a *relatively* minor knee injury and would have lost my scholarship, but for the finagling of my coach. I was a liabilty to continue Wrestling. So, I read Ray's record and an alarm is going off in my head "LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT!" It's not just su****iously illegal, it's con****uously immoral!


Not only has Robinson never fought anyone as good as Rigo, or Lopez, or even Russell Jr. or Campbell, Lomachenko AS AN AMATEUR never fought anyone as bad as those poor souls.

Guys like Docusen, Abrams, LaMotta, and Gavilan tested him. I hardly think it's an exaggeration to say that Robinson had a fairly comfortable start to his career.

And again, he looks phenomenal in the fight with Maxim. Better than he did in his final installment against (a desiccated) LaMotta or his rematch with (a still green) Turpin. The fact that he would return to the ring several years later and author such feats as his one-punch KO of Fullmer (the only KO of his career), damn near kill Bobo Olson (probably the actual best opponent he ever beat) on SEVERAL occasions, and was getting fights with guys like Joey Archer in his 40s tells you that Ray had plenty left in him. He just pursued a HORRIBLE strategy.

Do you have any idea what the Special Sauce is on your Big Mac? HAving known people close to Jim Dellagatti, I can tell you ... if you stop evading my questions.

If you bothered to read the post I did Explain what I meant. You exaggerate rigo... yes very talented. Is he your token guy of color? Lol.


Your nuts lol. You can look at the guys you claim are so good... try it some time. When is enough turds on the punch bowl pookie?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Exactly. And Robinson obviously looked better before that. Or like you said at welter. And this moron has the balls to mention idiocy when that's all he posts. I bet this fool probably even graduated high school. Stick to MMA. Or maybe tiddly winks.

Not gonna name a fight, are you, Princess.


Have you even seen a single Robinson fight!?

[Rusty Tromboni]

If you bothered to read the post I did Explain what I meant. You exaggerate rigo... yes very talented. Is he your token guy of color? Lol.


Your nuts lol. You can look at the guys you claim are so good... try it some time. When is enough turds on the punch bowl pookie?

That's all I get? I am sure there was a non-sequitur rant coming down the pike, but it got derailed when you read "McDonald's".