Who would you say impacated boxing more Dempsey or Jack Johnson?

[edgarg]

You know, I read some of London's books, and although well written they didn't touch me. Except for ONE. I've just looked up TWO complete lists of London's works and this story is not mentioned. A complete novel, it is in an early 1940s Science Fiction Pulp Magazine, and is called "The Star Rover":..It touched me very deeply and I re-read it about 4-5 times. It is vastly enhanced by the most wonderful illustrations of the very best of illustrators (in my opinion-some Science Fiction buffs say Laurence) Virgil Finlay, who used his own unique method of making illustrations.

His works are now sold in Folios and fetch a goodly price.

As for Corbett, some newspaper guy dubbed him" Gentleman Jim Corbett", and the Errol Flynn movie was entitled "Gentleman Jim".....believe me he was NO gentleman.

I made the same comment about Gentleman Jackson, who beat Daniel Mendoza, a much better boxer, in fact the father of the scientific style, but only 5'7" and 160 lbs. Anyway Jackson beat him only by grabbing him by his long hair, holding his head under his arm ("in chancery" was then the term) and clubbing him.

***reminds me of how Lennox Lewis would score KO's, like for instance against Michael Grant, by blatantly holding him behind the head and uppercutting him with his right. He did it ALL the time and the refs always went blind right then.***

Let me add that I've just done some more searching and found that "The Star Rover" also went under the name of "The Jacket", and is available to read free on Project Gutenberg,under either name. Unfortunately the text and lines are far more widely spaced-don't know why- which for me, takes away some of the reality of it as a book, also the beautiful Finlay illustrations are absent, they having been done just for the Science Fiction Magazine. I'm going to read it again anyway, to see if I still feel good about it, but not untll after I've finished what I'm reading now, which is a collection of Max Brand short stories.

[QueensburyRules]

You know, I read some of London's books, and although well written they didn't touch me. Except for ONE. I've just looked up TWO complete lists of London's works and this story is not mentioned. A complete novel, it is in an early 1940s Science Fiction Pulp Magazine, and is called "The Star Rover":..It touched me very deeply and I re-read it about 4-5 times. It is vastly enhanced by the most wonderful illustrations of the very best of illustrators (in my opinion-some Science Fictiobuffs say Laurence) Virgil Finlay, who used his own unique method of making illustrations.

His works are now sold in Folios and fetch a goodly price.*

- -London's call of the wild epic and required reading in my schoolboy days. Highly recommended.

Also wrote The Unparallel Invasion, a pre "Wuhan Corona Virus" invasion of the "Yellow Peril" that sounds incredibly savage even for the day.

Insert what goes around comes around.

[billeau2]

You know, I read some of London's books, and although well written they didn't touch me. Except for ONE. I've just looked up TWO complete lists of London's works and this story is not mentioned. A complete novel, it is in an early 1940s Science Fiction Pulp Magazine, and is called "The Star Rover":..It touched me very deeply and I re-read it about 4-5 times. It is vastly enhanced by the most wonderful illustrations of the very best of illustrators (in my opinion-some Science Fiction buffs say Laurence) Virgil Finlay, who used his own unique method of making illustrations.

His works are now sold in Folios and fetch a goodly price.

As for Corbett, some newspaper guy dubbed him" Gentleman Jim Corbett", and the Errol Flynn movie was entitled "Gentleman Jim".....believe me he was NO gentleman.

I made the same comment about Gentleman Jackson, who beat Daniel Mendoza, a much better boxer, in fact the father of the scientific style, but only 5'7" and 160 lbs. Anyway Jackson beat him only by grabbing him by his long hair, holding his head under his arm ("in chancery" was then the term) and clubbing him.

***reminds me of how Lennox Lewis would score KO's, like for instance against Michael Grant, by blatantly holding him behind the head and uppercutting him with his right. He did it ALL the time and the refs always went blind right then.***

Yes London did have political and science fiction works. I liked his animal books as a kid, lol. The illustrations is an interesting angle!

If London was Oakland... a scrappy place, where dock workers would wallop about, Corbett was San Francisco. At the time San Francisco was a major city, if the 1908 quake had not happened it would have been a much bigger city. As it stands, even know, it has the third highest population density (Per Capita) in the United States (New York, Chicago are the first two). But it had tenements South of Market and was becoming really big. It birthed a lot of good fighters. Abe Atell, Corbett, etc.

[edgarg]

- -London's call of the wild epic and required reading in my schoolboy days. Highly recommended.

Also wrote The Unparallel Invasion, a pre "Wuhan Corona Virus" invasion of the "Yellow Peril" that sounds incredibly savage even for the day.

Insert what goes around comes around.

You know...I think I read both of them and I also believe that I have them. About 20 or so years ago I had to stop collecting, moved to an apartment, and had no space for my books, so I have about 7,000 mostly out of print books in storage. I have all of Thackeray, only a couple of ****ens whom I don't care for by comparison, a few Charles Lever, all of Edgar Wallace, many Harrison Ainsworth, loads of American Civil War and Napoleonic period (about 150 or so of each) A large cardboard carton filled to the top with hundreds of Ring Magazine (and Boxing Illustrated-even the very first issue)..the only novel that Suzanne Lenglen ever wrote,....and I'm going to stop ...because thinking about my books is not conducive to a pleasant frame of mind when I'm here and they're. there about 80 miles away.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yes I read that report, but what I believe is a more definitive one, said that he had been involved in a street scuffle about a week before, where he fractured that bone, and during the fight spectators noticed that he stopped using than arm, fighting one-handed. He said that his arm was broken since the 3rd rd. Drs examining him after, more or less bore that out, that he fought with a fracture which the fight aggravated into a break, not of the arm but of that particular bone. The spectators rioted demanding their money back, and Johnson was lucky to get away undamaged. His opponent was "Battling" Jim Johnson, also from Galveston, not a very distinguished fighter, so it likely was a "put-up" job between them as the fight ended in a "draw". So for me that it was a REAL fight, is questionable.

Those were the days with very loose rules, almost no oversight except public opinion and the Police Gazette, and Black boxers, always far poorer than white, had to go to all sorts of schemes to "raise the wind". WW! changed things a lot bringing a more orderly way of doing things, more officialdom more rules, more means to penalise infractions.

Although the hatred of the the thwarted US Govt for Johnson did not diminish. They hounded him literally. Not a single US President would ever consider Pardoning him for the faked up, especially crafted crime for which he was chased, charged and sentenced.....Until Trump, who did so without hesitation.

Did you really just say there is no point in me getting political? What do you think I was replying to? Don't your rules./suggestion apply to you?

[edgarg]

Did you really just say there is no point in me getting political? What do you think I was replying to? Don't your rules./suggestion apply to you?

I mentioned that Trump was the one who pardoned him without a second thought, a NON political move, one out of just kindness, after having been told the story. The past presidents who refused, including, very surprisingly, a black president, were politicians, Trump is not, he's a businessman.

You responded the way you did, for no other reason but to take a political swipe in a nasty, vulgar way.. Why should you think that you can project your mind back 100 years to know what Johnson would be thinking about...and doing. I suppose you have "second sight"....?? Ho HO Ho...!!. Sorry, just my sense of humour.

I avoid politics, and would not have even mentioned it if I'd known it would result in you taking offence. but a comment like yours deserves an answer. If you want to do the Pep Saddler thing in prose I don't mind, I have a vocabulary good enough to manage...without vulgarisms. Maybe you're just a grouchy guy.-with ulcers. Who knows....NOT I.

[QueensburyRules]

You know...I think I read both of them and I also believe that I have them. About 20 or so years ago I had to stop collecting, moved to an apartment, and had no space for my books, so I have about 7,000 mostly out of print books in storage. I have all of Thackeray, only a couple of ****ens whom I don't care for by comparison, a few Charles Lever, all of Edgar Wallace, many Harrison Ainsworth, loads of American Civil War and Napoleonic period (about 150 or so of each) A large cardboard carton filled to the top with hundreds of Ring Magazine (and Boxing Illustrated-even the very first issue)..the only novel that Suzanne Lenglen ever wrote,....and I'm going to stop ...because thinking about my books is not conducive to a pleasant frame of mind when I'm here and they're. there about 80 miles away.

I finally got around to building a dedicated library for my new overflow and it's beautiful as well as being artful. I still have my original smallish library in my office that I no longer use because destructively modern lawncare and development forced me to build a sound barrier on my attached screened porch that makes for my new bunkered existence. I also have a mini library in my living room that I use for storage now.

Who woulda thunk it 20 yrs ago?

[edgarg]

I finally got around to building a dedicated library for my new overflow and it's beautiful as well as being artful. I still have my original smallish library in my office that I no longer use because destructively modern lawncare and development forced me to build a sound barrier on my attached screened porch that makes for my new bunkered existence. I also have a mini library in my living room that I use for storage now.

Who woulda thunk it 20 yrs ago?

You're not kidding...!!

You sound very well dug in by the description you give. Keep Well and Safe. i haven't left my apartment since the Virus alarm was given. I have a wonderful daughter T.G. who keeps me supplied with grub and anything I need.

[QueensburyRules]

I mentioned that Trump was the one who pardoned him without a second thought, a NON political move, one out of just kindness, after having been told the story. The past presidents who refused, including, very surprisingly, a black president, were politicians, Trump is not, he's a businessman.

- -Rump a lifelong Dem part of the ***** muskateer trio of Epstein, Billy Slick, and Prince Andrew, so of course he IDed with JJOHNSON.

***** a lawyer with wife and two young daughters could not in good faith to his family pardon JJ. And he conferred heavily with his black attorney General.

Poor Epstein, Rump knew him well...Billy Shakes...

[BattlingNelson]

Glad to see you back edgarg.