Consistently Consensus Boxing Opinions

[Rusty Tromboni]

Sparring with 12-14 oz sparring gloves is very different than fighting a real fight with 5 oz fight gloves. Any single blow would crush Greb.

I'd love to see proof they were fighting with 12 oz gloves.


Jack couldn't put away Gibbons or Tunney. Their mobility troubled him and he landed plenty. I fully believe he's the best natural Heavyweight ever. He's the best fighter ever below 200 pounds. But your inexperience inside the ring, or in any matter athletic, causes you to mis-gauge the realities of human physiology.

It's well known Jack went hard on his opponents and still came up short against Greb and Loughran. Not saying they beat him, but the idea that he just folds Greb over with a single punch is mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

[billeau2]

With the exception of many White fighters, the further a fighter is from his professional best the better he gets.

If you tell a lie often enough, you begin to believe it.


Boxing attracts idiots who live their lives vicariously by societies perceived rejects/victims and will react irrationally when their fantasy is challenged with fact.

Size doesn't matter.

Popularity and greatness are conflated.

People who can't really perform well in "real" sports suddenly are invincible in Boxing because they're just tougher.

You tell em toots! (smacks Trombone on the @33) Now get some more drinks for the boys and you then you can tell us all about how strong the white fighters are!

[HOUDINI563]

Nope. Gibbons fought to survive. He covered up all fight. You obviously never watched the fight.

You also reveal you have no experience in the ring. Sparring gloves are always used. At that time sparring gloves were either 12-14 oz. Never fight gloves which at that time were 5 oz. Study up.

[HOUDINI563]

Easy to survive a sparring session when the puncher is using sparring gloves. Fight gloves have a huge effect especially at 5 oz. Especially horse hair filled. A 190 pound Dempsey, one of boxing’s most powerful punchers, hitting a 165 pound middleweight would have serious consequences. Greb said so himself. Study up.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't know if this is legit - it was not properly cited; seems to be a newspaper report of the Dempsey-Greb sparing before the Miske fight.

QUESTION: Is there a suggestion, at article end, that Dempsey was holding back? You be the judge!

This is the webpage it came from.


Sept 2, 1920

Dempsey Satisfied With His Condition

Has Reached Climax of Training for Miske Bout - Challenger Takes It Easy.

[Excerpt] Greb was a veritable whirlwind. Twenty-five pounds lighter than the champion and about four inches shorter, Harry made the champion step lively. He had to jump off the floor to hit Dempsey in the head when the latter was standing straight, but managed to do it and landed without leaving himself open to Jack's snappy hooks and short swings. One of the most notable things about Dempsey's boxing is the fact that he is not hitting as straight as he did in Toledo. This is not a particularly good sign. Why he should hook and swing his blows more is a mystery. He can hit straight when he wants to, and when he does his blows carry a wealth of power behind them, for the champion knows how to put his powerful shoulders behind his punches and how also to get the necessary asistance from his legs by rising to the ball of the rearward foot when the punch gets over. It may be that Dempsey does not care to hit straight from the shoulder, fearing to punish his partners too severely.

[The Old LefHook]

The greatest of mythical matchups is still Dempsey/Marciano.

[BattlingNelson]

Hmmmmm..... somehow I feel Packey McFarland would disagree with that.

Maybe you feel that way, but when was the last time anybody gave a flying f**k about what you ‘feel’?

Don’t answer please. I don’t care about your garbage opinions.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Nope. Gibbons fought to survive. He covered up all fight. You obviously never watched the fight.

You also reveal you have no experience in the ring. Sparring gloves are always used. At that time sparring gloves were either 12-14 oz. Never fight gloves which at that time were 5 oz. Study up.

And survive he did. He never hit the deck, and the normally fearsome Dempsey, while always in control, still looked tamed.

I get it, Dempsey won. But Greb had also proved Gibbon's superior.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't know if this is legit - it was not properly cited; seems to be a newspaper report of the Dempsey-Greb sparing before the Miske fight.

QUESTION: Is there a suggestion, at article end, that Dempsey was holding back? You be the judge!

This is the webpage it came from.


Sept 2, 1920

Dempsey Satisfied With His Condition

Has Reached Climax of Training for Miske Bout - Challenger Takes It Easy.

[Excerpt] Greb was a veritable whirlwind. Twenty-five pounds lighter than the champion and about four inches shorter, Harry made the champion step lively. He had to jump off the floor to hit Dempsey in the head when the latter was standing straight, but managed to do it and landed without leaving himself open to Jack's snappy hooks and short swings. One of the most notable things about Dempsey's boxing is the fact that he is not hitting as straight as he did in Toledo. This is not a particularly good sign. Why he should hook and swing his blows more is a mystery. He can hit straight when he wants to, and when he does his blows carry a wealth of power behind them, for the champion knows how to put his powerful shoulders behind his punches and how also to get the necessary asistance from his legs by rising to the ball of the rearward foot when the punch gets over. It may be that Dempsey does not care to hit straight from the shoulder, fearing to punish his partners too severely.

Without seeing the sparring play out, we can't know. even then it's still just spaarring. A real fight would have to happen.


But look at DUran vs. Hearsn and Duran vs. hagler and Barkley.

Look how Byrd troubled grat Heavyweights more than legitimate Heavyweights could.

Look at howQuarry struggled with Patterson, but stopped Shvaers in one round.

Plenty of times smaller men exploit the shortcomings of larger ones.

The idiot Houdini, himself, rants about this in virtually every post he makes.

Greb was beating men who were able to secure fights with Dempsey. It wouldn't have been unthinkable for him to have secured a fight. I do believe it failed to happen because the public didn't believe a Middleweight, even an exceptional one capable of beating Heavyweights, should be fighting for the World's Heavyweight championship.

Maybe you feel that way, but when was the last time anybody gave a flying f**k about what you ‘feel’?

Don’t answer please. I don’t care about your garbage opinions.

Nice struggling with ENglish there, Sven.

Point is, Nelson was a bi'tch who denied a great man what was his. Just because you come from a country that hates men doesn't mean the rest of the world feels that way.


Oh by the way, even though McFarland was shut out from his tittle shot, he didn't commit suicide over it, he fought on. Suicide is for losers.