Consistently Consensus Boxing Opinions

[HOUDINI563]

Travesty is a cherry picker. Dempsey would have fought Wills had those who controlled boxing slowed it. Blacks were barred from fighting for the worlds hwt title for many decades. Had nothing to do with Dempsey.

“Cherry pick” and “better resume” are two different aspects. My point of contention is your cherry pick comments. You are way off base here.

[DeeMoney]

Add to the list:

Nobody benefited more from home cooking than Sven Ottke.

[ShoulderRoll]

Travesty is a cherry picker. Dempsey would have fought Wills had those who controlled boxing slowed it. Blacks were barred from fighting for the worlds hwt title for many decades. Had nothing to do with Dempsey.

“Cherry pick” and “better resume” are two different aspects. My point of contention is your cherry pick comments. You are way off base here.

Dempsey had his chances to fight tough fighters, black or otherwise, but generally avoided doing so.

That's cherry picking.

And in the end his resume suffers for it. It's all connected.

[HOUDINI563]

All the fighters he fought were tough with the one exception being Miske during that point in his career.

Wills as a black man was barred from fighting for the heavyweight championship. That’s why aside from Johnson no black fighter fought for the heavyweight championship for many decades up until 1937.

A few revisionists point to Greb, a middleweight. A single blow from Dempsey to a vital area would at the very least send Greb to the hospital. The boxing public I am sure recognized this at that time. No middleweight is beating Dempsey in a legit bout especially with 5 oz horse hair filled gloves. AKA BRICKS. It would have been a suicide mission for the middleweight.

[BattlingNelson]

Add to the list:

Nobody benefited more from home cooking than Sven Ottke.

Andre Ward.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Battling Nelson was the toughest ever.








and Floyd Mayweather was the biggest cherry picker.

Hmmmmm..... somehow I feel Packey McFarland would disagree with that.

[Rusty Tromboni]

More of a cherry picker than Floyd Mayweather, certainly.

Let's not have double standards.

So which color crayon tastes the best?

[Rusty Tromboni]

With the exception of many White fighters, the further a fighter is from his professional best the better he gets.

If you tell a lie often enough, you begin to believe it.


Boxing attracts idiots who live their lives vicariously by societies perceived rejects/victims and will react irrationally when their fantasy is challenged with fact.

Size doesn't matter.

Popularity and greatness are conflated.

People who can't really perform well in "real" sports suddenly are invincible in Boxing because they're just tougher.

[Rusty Tromboni]

All the fighters he fought were tough with the one exception being Miske during that point in his career.

Wills as a black man was barred from fighting for the heavyweight championship. That’s why aside from Johnson no black fighter fought for the heavyweight championship for many decades up until 1937.

A few revisionists point to Greb, a middleweight. A single blow from Dempsey to a vital area would at the very least send Greb to the hospital. The boxing public I am sure recognized this at that time. No middleweight is beating Dempsey in a legit bout especially with 5 oz horse hair filled gloves. AKA BRICKS. It would have been a suicide mission for the middleweight.

greb did quite well against him in sparring.

the fight didn't happen because there wasn't an interest in it.

really, Greb had done quite well against several men Dempsey struggled with.

Dempsey also didn't fight Loughran. Tommy was probably even worse a match-up than Gene was. Of course that was probably just a matter of timing and insufficient interest, too.

[HOUDINI563]

Sparring with 12-14 oz sparring gloves is very different than fighting a real fight with 5 oz fight gloves. Any single blow would crush Greb.