The Big Four

[HOUDINI563]

Ring is no longer a valid place to find the true championship listings.

The whole idea of the lineal title is to ensure the history of each title is preserved. Each title is only as good as the history behind it. It’s not a question as to who is the best in each division. The question instead is who is the rightful owner of the true historic championship at any given time.

[Willie Pep 229]

Ring is no longer a valid place to find the true championship listings.

The whole idea of the lineal title is to ensure the history of each title is preserved. Each title is only as good as the history behind it. It’s not a question as to who is the best in each division. The question instead is who is the rightful owner of the true historic championship at any given time.

Sadly The Ring Magazine lost its mojo back in the late 1970s when it got caught selling Ws for fights that never occurred.

Of course Don King was in the mix; it wasn't just the corruption that was sad (after all it's prize fighting) but that a promoter could buy his fighter a six round win in Peoria for a meager $50 made them look pathetic, not just corrupt.

It did, sometime in the mid '80s, try reverting to ranking only the traditional eight weight classes and lineal champions, but that didn't last but for a few issues and they abandoned the effort; it just wasn't realistic.

[Ben Bolt]

Sadly The Ring Magazine lost its mojo back in the late 1970s when it got caught selling Ws for fights that never occurred.

One guy did, John Ort who was in charge of The Ring ratings.
Nobody seems to know anything about this villain (except that Bert Sugar, the first thing he did when he took over The Ring, was to fire him.)

It’s a mystery Ort is such an unknown. After all, this scumbag left a huge (unwelcome) legacy in pro boxing – because of him, the unscrupulous alphabet orgs gained power, and the unique tradition that was boxing's trademark, the one of lineal champions, was shattered.

James Figg and Jack Broughton laid the foundation, Ort dug it up.

[aboutfkntime]

Ring is no longer a valid place to find the true championship listings.

The whole idea of the lineal title is to ensure the history of each title is preserved. Each title is only as good as the history behind it. It’s not a question as to who is the best in each division. The question instead is who is the rightful owner of the true historic championship at any given time.

good post !

[QueensburyRules]

- -I surmise Ort took the $ and ran.

Let's not forget Nat Fleischer's under the table brown envelope years.

[Willie Pep 229]

- -I surmise Ort took the $ and ran.

Let's not forget Nat Fleischer's under the table brown envelope years.

Never before heard Fleischer called dirty . . not actually a fan of the old bastard, thought he was a self aggrandizing blow hole . . . but sure liked his mag.

P.S. http://theboxingtribune.com/2011/03/...azine-scandal/

[QueensburyRules]

Never before heard Fleischer called dirty . . not actually a fan of the old bastard, thought he was a self aggrandizing blow hole . . . but sure liked his mag.

P.S. http://theboxingtribune.com/2011/03/...azine-scandal/

- -He and Tex Rickard were Ring in the beginning, but then Tex died.

Like to think Nat as a breath of fresh air in the vast mismatic sea of boxing.

In the Mob brown envelope era, either take the cash or be denied entry into some of boxings biggest fights he needed for his mag. His defense of Ali was epic as was his refusal to rank him in his all time top ten AFTER Frazier BTFO him.

[Anthony342]

I thought it really lost credibility when De La Hoya and Golden Boy bought it.

[QueensburyRules]

I thought it really lost credibility when De La Hoya and Golden Boy bought it.

- -Oscar saved Ring from yet another Ring bankruptcy to pump much needed capital into before the coroner pulled the sheets over the corpse.

Yeah, he gets free promos while the public gets free articles and a public forum to speak out.

What grade U in now?

[HOUDINI563]

Ring should have been left to die unfortunately. All you have left are writers who don’t understand the Ali era let alone those before him. The Ring used to be the boxing fans link to not only the present but the past. No longer.