Where Did Boxing Originate From?

[billeau2]

Those martial arts lineages have interested me to an extent. Maybe not to the extent you delve into. More of a cliff notes version for me. Cliff Notes was my favorite author in high school, by the way (ba dum bum, rimshot).

And when seeing some of the ATG boxers and MMA fighters or if you even want to go more int depth, competitive martial artists in stuff like kickboxing or karate (be it full contact or for points), one can see the beauty in it and the "art" in martial arts. Pulling a great rally for a TKO, cumulative KO or one punch KO can be great to see and a well executed submission is just as much a thing of beauty to me as one of those knockouts. I appreciate those like others to paintings, sculptures, or the local classical music concert.

The technical stuff can be dry but it has meaning. Lol loved the cliff notes rip!

[billeau2]

My contribution to this thread was just to attempt to answer the OP's question with actual evidence of some sort.

But by all means if you have any proof of cave paintings that predate Mesopotamia feel free to post them.

Ok your not going to accept the difference here are you? That's cool, your either not getting it, or understand it and want to side swipe it... I explained it as best I could.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok your not going to accept the difference here are you? That's cool, your either not getting it, or understand it and want to side swipe it... I explained it as best I could.

No, I'm not going to accept the difference if it leads to conveniently removing the fact that the first and oldest evidence we have for combat sports comes from Mesopotamia.

[billeau2]

No, I'm not going to accept the difference if it leads to conveniently removing the fact that the first and oldest evidence we have for combat sports comes from Mesopotamia.

Suit yourself. Do you at least understand the difference? Sounds like you do not to be honest.

[ShoulderRoll]

Suit yourself. Do you at least understand the difference? Sounds like you do not to be honest.

I've spoken my piece about that. It should really be up to the OP if he wants to accept those constraints on his question.

[billeau2]

I've spoken my piece about that. It should really be up to the OP if he wants to accept those constraints on his question.

I am asking you a simple question: I am trying to determine if you understand something. I told you I understood your point, apologized for any oversight...I am not asking you to contradict yourself, or agree with anything.

You asked me a simple question and the first thing I did was give you a simple answer no? I am asking you a simple yes, or no question: Do you understand the distinction being made between generic forms of fist fighting and what we call "Boxing" according to the OP's point of view...Not asking you to agree to it! Lets make it really simple...Yes or No? I do not know at this point if you just feel as though answering this will make you lose a point lol, if you just want to bust balls, or what. You won already ok lol... Like you won all the other debates, this is just the clean up crew making a point for forensics lol.

Shoulder my old man used to have an expression he would tell me when I was "winning" he would say "You know son...You can win all the battles and lose the war." Know whatimean?

[ShoulderRoll]

I am asking you a simple question: I am trying to determine if you understand something. I told you I understood your point, apologized for any oversight...I am not asking you to contradict yourself, or agree with anything.

You asked me a simple question and the first thing I did was give you a simple answer no? I am asking you a simple yes, or no question: Do you understand the distinction being made between generic forms of fist fighting and what we call "Boxing" according to the OP's point of view...Not asking you to agree to it! Lets make it really simple...Yes or No? I do not know at this point if you just feel as though answering this will make you lose a point lol, if you just want to bust balls, or what. You won already ok lol... Like you won all the other debates, this is just the clean up crew making a point for forensics lol.

Shoulder my old man used to have an expression he would tell me when I was "winning" he would say "You know son...You can win all the battles and lose the war." Know whatimean?

Won what other debates? What are you even talking about, Billeau2?

I understand the distinction but we don't know enough to assume that Mesopotamian boxing was just a generic form of fist fighting. Those wrestling and boxing styles could very well have had an influence on any that came after in that region.

[Marchegiano]

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Well, scanning took considerable more effort than I'd thought it would , but, it's done. This morning I was hit with the site is under construction bs and yesterday I ended up babysitting.

Anyway, the photo in question is this:



If the embed doesn't work: https://archive.org/details/agean-soldier

I can not upload page 69 for you as a seperate upload because the photo of the boxer is page 69. It's not numbered, but, if pressed to I would be willing to provide a series of photos showing the book open with the page numbers. This is 69. So I don't know what the author from that website or the preview you have online or whatever is looking at, but, this is definitely page 69.

edit- that's confusing, I meant 69 isn't numbered, 68 and 70 are though.

[billeau2]

Won what other debates? What are you even talking about, Billeau2?

I understand the distinction but we don't know enough to assume that Mesopotamian boxing was just a generic form of fist fighting. Those wrestling and boxing styles could very well have had an influence on any that came after in that region.

Thank You.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well, scanning took considerable more effort than I'd thought it would , but, it's done. This morning I was hit with the site is under construction bs and yesterday I ended up babysitting.

Anyway, the photo in question is this:



If the embed doesn't work: https://archive.org/details/agean-soldier

I can not upload page 69 for you as a seperate upload because the photo of the boxer is page 69. It's not numbered, but, if pressed to I would be willing to provide a series of photos showing the book open with the page numbers. This is 69. So I don't know what the author from that website or the preview you have online or whatever is looking at, but, this is definitely page 69.

edit- that's confusing, I meant 69 isn't numbered, 68 and 70 are though.

I appreciate you taking the time to scan it.

Is that the Minoan armored boxer that you were referring to? The one you said was our first or oldest bit of evidence for fist fighting?