Where Did Boxing Originate From?

[billeau2]

The genius of New York City's Public School system on display: while other regimes teach their children what to think, NYC DOE teaches kids NOT to think.

Impossible Trombone. People always think, the mind always works... I mean even when trying to insult you show that you belong where the sand box and sprinklers are... Did M take your truck? awwww poor baby!

Actually in my generation the public school system in the city was quite good! I wonder if you even read half the posts you blow out to with that rusty trombone of yours... Actually with your reading comp...maybe its better that way. Maybe I can talk M into giving your truck back.

[billeau2]

Being deflective doesn't change the fact you already look ****** and lazy.

He seems to be on a school district tangent... Its better that he not read your post, if he did he we would get even more absurdities.

to be fair, many, not just blowhard, have a hard time distinguishing a pedigree, a specific art developed in several cultures progressively and along a single line, from a general notion of human behavior. Yes people have been punching each other a long time... does not make it boxing in the manner in which we know it today.

[Willie Pep 229]

The genius of New York City's Public School system on display: while other regimes teach their children what to think, NYC DOE teaches kids NOT to think.

Hey Rusty

Would you lay out your World War II theory in more detail? I keep seeing mention of it but don't have the big picture; what are you trying to say?

If you want you can PM me.

[Marchegiano]

He seems to be on a school district tangent... Its better that he not read your post, if he did he we would get even more absurdities.

to be fair, many, not just blowhard, have a hard time distinguishing a pedigree, a specific art developed in several cultures progressively and along a single line, from a general notion of human behavior. Yes people have been punching each other a long time... does not make it boxing in the manner in which we know it today.

I'm really for an all inclusive tale, but to use its very basic humanity, the fact that it is a unifying trait for men to punch ****, against the history of boxing, discrediting champions and soldiers alike just because the full research is hard or because by default your own, mine included, will never be complete....childish. irrespectively childish.

[Richard]

As previously mentioned by another poster fighting has been associated with humans since our appearance in history therefore you can assume people have been participating in fisticuffs probably before we even became **** sapien sapiens.

100%.Iam a subscriber of national geographic magazine and you see pictures in there occasionally of animals loosely boxing each other eg primates and kangaroos.

[Willie Pep 229]

FWIW I am an advocate that boxing is the Western world's marital art.

There is unarmed combat . . .

There is fighting for war
There is fighting for prize
There is boxing for sport (and prize)

Which 'origin' are we looking for?

My two cents: the origin of boxing as we see it today is recent; fighting for prize, older, and unarmed combat for war ancient.

Boxing is a martial art; until there was an established and innovating technique deployed, that was consistently passed down to subsequent generations, via training, it wasn't "Boxing."

[ShoulderRoll]

If boxing is to mean fist fighting our first or oldest bit of evidence comes from the Aegean islands and Corfu. That's Greece for those not so good with the geography...

There were cultures that were very old before Greece was young.


Terracotta relief of two Mesopotamian boxers, c. 2000 B.C.E. from Eshnunna, (Modern-day Tell Asram, Iraq).
Source: Erich Lessing / Art Resource, NY; used with permission.



Terracotta plaque of wrestlers and boxers. Khafaji, Nintu Temple, Early dynastic Period, 3000-2340 B.C.E., Iraq Museum, Baghdad.
Source: Flickr at www.flickr.com/photos/pankration (Pankration Research Institute's photostream; used with permission).


https://ejmas.com/jcs/2010jcs/jcsart_murray_1007.html

[Marchegiano]

There were cultures that were very old before Greece was young.


Terracotta relief of two Mesopotamian boxers, c. 2000 B.C.E. from Eshnunna, (Modern-day Tell Asram, Iraq).
Source: Erich Lessing / Art Resource, NY; used with permission.



Terracotta plaque of wrestlers and boxers. Khafaji, Nintu Temple, Early dynastic Period, 3000-2340 B.C.E., Iraq Museum, Baghdad.
Source: Flickr at www.flickr.com/photos/pankration (Pankration Research Institute's photostream; used with permission).


https://ejmas.com/jcs/2010jcs/jcsart_murray_1007.html

Keep digging bubba. There's a reason why I named the geographic location and not the nation

[Marchegiano]

There were cultures that were very old before Greece was young.


Terracotta relief of two Mesopotamian boxers, c. 2000 B.C.E. from Eshnunna, (Modern-day Tell Asram, Iraq).
Source: Erich Lessing / Art Resource, NY; used with permission.



Terracotta plaque of wrestlers and boxers. Khafaji, Nintu Temple, Early dynastic Period, 3000-2340 B.C.E., Iraq Museum, Baghdad.
Source: Flickr at www.flickr.com/photos/pankration (Pankration Research Institute's photostream; used with permission).


https://ejmas.com/jcs/2010jcs/jcsart_murray_1007.html

Let me add to that last one because it seems like I'm just giving you the brush off. Like i'm privy to some secrete knowledge I won't share or some such. I'm just a reader like you, I don't know **** actually.

Michael B Poliakoff's Competition, Violence, and Culture. Combat Sport in the Ancient Word would be the book I learned this from.

I've tried to find the pic online but all I'm getting is some armorless 1700 BC fresco. The Minoan boxer is fully armored. Helmeted, breast, the whole nine.

If you find that imagine and date it and it turns out Mike and I are wrong that's good research bud, but, just telling me no this culture is older....I don't think you got the point I made.

[ShoulderRoll]

Keep digging bubba. There's a reason why I named the geographic location and not the nation

I don't think there's any more to dig up.

That terracotta plaque from the Nintu Temple is thought to be the earliest depiction of fist fighting there is.