Marciano vs the following opposition

[HOUDINI563]

Sharkey was winning until Dempsey went to his body with intent and it was over very quickly. Sharkey could not take it to the body. Not being able to take it to the body is a suicide mission vs Marciano.

Sorry, Baer had a great right hand but no defense and no jab. He would not be able to keep Marciano off of him.

Rocky stops both. Sharkey mid fight. Baer late. Very little chance of an upset.

[billeau2]

When did Louis da Ox overwhelm Moxie!?!?!?

Baer needed two broken hands for a prime Louis to beat him. Even then he gave Joe a scare, and showed plenty of defense. How does Marciano - floored by Moore, no less - even find the opportunity to go on the offensive?


You'd bet on Marciano beating Sharkey, even though Sharkey could actually hang with real Heavyweights?
Marciano would've been killed in there with Dempsey. But somehow going life and death with Ezzard Charles proves Rock's better!?

Why do you guys make things up?

Dude.... Look up some things please stop with the anecdotal Bs... You just have these fantasies... Louis beat Schmelling the second fight.

You like Sharkey I get it. Great take a prize on the table. It has your name on it. Bauer was ourclassed... look at the fight. What exxagerated perspective. Nobody,,, and I mean NObody would argue that the Bauer that fought Louis would have had more than a puncher;s chance, except you... and maybe Queenie on a bad day when the gerital did not come in.

Hum....Lets see, how does one of the most dangerous swarmers, a man who might have been the best swarmer in heavyweight history, by a good margin...find a way to get to bauer....IIII DOONA KNOW!!!! Are you ret@rded? And I love Bauer, think he was a supreme talent, but nobody would ask such a ****** question unless they were reasoning on their own facts, like Queenie likes to do at times....when the gerital is late.

Its so nice posting without being bugged by your insane BS. I like you and enjoy some of your posts, but you have these insane triangle set ups...Look at the tapes, look at precedent. Whoppee! Sharkee was ahead with dempsey must mean he would kill marciano,, get the fvk out of here.... Ezzard Charles was a great fighter by the way, no matter what insane triangle theory of who gave him a scare, exxagerated to some extreme you care to bring up.

Real heavyweights huh? Your killing me Rusty...I luv ya man but your killin' me.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Dude.... Look up some things please stop with the anecdotal Bs... You just have these fantasies... Louis beat Schmelling the second fight.

You like Sharkey I get it. Great take a prize on the table. It has your name on it. Bauer was ourclassed... look at the fight. What exxagerated perspective. Nobody,,, and I mean NObody would argue that the Bauer that fought Louis would have had more than a puncher;s chance, except you... and maybe Queenie on a bad day when the gerital did not come in.

Hum....Lets see, how does one of the most dangerous swarmers, a man who might have been the best swarmer in heavyweight history, by a good margin...find a way to get to bauer....IIII DOONA KNOW!!!! Are you ret@rded? And I love Bauer, think he was a supreme talent, but nobody would ask such a ****** question unless they were reasoning on their own facts, like Queenie likes to do at times....when the gerital is late.

Its so nice posting without being bugged by your insane BS. I like you and enjoy some of your posts, but you have these insane triangle set ups...Look at the tapes, look at precedent. Whoppee! Sharkee was ahead with dempsey must mean he would kill marciano,, get the fvk out of here.... Ezzard Charles was a great fighter by the way, no matter what insane triangle theory of who gave him a scare, exxagerated to some extreme you care to bring up.

Real heavyweights huh? Your killing me Rusty...I luv ya man but your killin' me.

Right, I forgot; your arguments are impervious to facts and reason.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen any of these guys' fights?

[GhostofDempsey]

It's nice knowing you post here.

But really, why do dismiss the Maxes?

Have you seen the REFURBISHED footage of Baer? I kinda feel Fake *** doesn't fight Marciano, he ****s him. Even when he was letting Braddock hit him (Baer threw that fight) it had no effect. Louis unlosed holy hell on Baer to put him away. You get exhausted watching it. Marciano would see his life flash before him.

The way Schmeling handled every other swarmer he met, i'm really not sure Rocky doesn't look terrible - in victory, or defeat. I concede that even though Schmeling is better, on film, Rocky looks like a bad match for him.

Baer was too inconsistent. Undisciplined. Baer also telegraphed his punches, which is easier to get away with against larger opponents who stand straight up. Rocky’s bobbing and Upper body movement would be a moving target. I’m not sure Baer had the stamina to keep Rocky’s pace and fend off the body attack. Baer didn’t like the train.

Schmeling was also very inconsistent. Lost to Sharkey and Baer, and several other journeyman level opponents. At his best he could give Rocky a long night and the version of Max who defeated Louis certainly gives any HW a run for their money.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Baer was too inconsistent. Undisciplined. Baer also telegraphed his punches, which is easier to get away with against larger opponents who stand straight up. Rocky’s bobbing and Upper body movement would be a moving target. I’m not sure Baer had the stamina to keep Rocky’s pace and fend off the body attack. Baer didn’t like the train.

Schmeling was also very inconsistent. Lost to Sharkey and Baer, and several other journeyman level opponents. At his best he could give Rocky a long night and the version of Max who defeated Louis certainly gives any HW a run for their money.

But this isn't about who was most consistent. It's about each man at his best.

Baer tightened up his punching and got off fast.

I'm not aware of him having stamina issues. I dunno how Marciano exploits it. How does Marciano get through the defense Baer used against Louis?

Baer wasn't the windmill puncher he's made out to be. Look at the Carnera fight. Look at how he overwhelms Schmeling.

Really I dunno where this obsession with technically sound punches comes from. This isn't amateur Boxing. Least of all I don't know how it matters when discussing the poster boy for "Wicked Retaaa'd Strength, Kid".
Sure, "Maaa'ciano hit like a HOSS". But he wasn't technically sound himself. Wicked Killuh, but wicked wild too.

Oh, Schmeling was old when he fought Louis. His prime was several years before. Do you mind explaining how he was inconsistent then?

[The Old LefHook]

Marciano was a magician of boxing, a man with golden feet who still convinced opponents he was slow & clumsy. His waist work was some of the best to ever grace a prize ring as well. He never rushed matters unless he hurt his man, then his attitude suddenly changed. He could throw 30-40 punches in a sudden lust.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Marciano was a magician of boxing, a man with golden feet who still convinced opponents he was slow & clumsy. His waist work was some of the best to ever grace a prize ring as well. He never rushed matters unless he hurt his man, then his attitude suddenly changed. He could throw 30-40 punches in a sudden lust.

Do you always radiate gayness?

Can you ever hold a meaningful conversation?

[billeau2]

Right, I forgot; your arguments are impervious to facts and reason.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever seen any of these guys' fights?

Just out of curiosity DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FACT IS? And before you go on some mad bugaboo do you bother to read what people who were experts at the time thought? Or do you just dismiss them in favor of believing you are some iconoclast?

Pablo Picasso, when he used the Cubist vocabulary Cezanne developed, produced work that many people thought was crap...and that is a bit of a generalization to make a point, I admit as much... But to the day that spaniard died, if he so desired, he could render you a painting in perfect conformity to what was considered "great" at the time... Before he did his own thinking and way he was well trained, he was great.

You don't get to just dismiss everyone when you don't show an understanding to begin with. You obviously have no understanding about Bauer and Ghost has taken the task of responding with some excellent information I hope you look at...CAREFULLY.

[billeau2]

Do you always radiate gayness?

Can you ever hold a meaningful conversation?

Everything he told you is an accurate description. Yeah he embellished it, seasoned it with a little left hook essence, but his views are in conformity of people who trained Marciano and others, and even those who did not think much of him. Mainly: marciano was indeed deceptive. Marciano had that extra gear, and if you watch tape where boxing experts analyzed marciano's work, one can see that his he could suddenly overwhelm when he needed to do so.

[billeau2]

But this isn't about who was most consistent. It's about each man at his best.

Baer tightened up his punching and got off fast.

I'm not aware of him having stamina issues. I dunno how Marciano exploits it. How does Marciano get through the defense Baer used against Louis?

Baer wasn't the windmill puncher he's made out to be. Look at the Carnera fight. Look at how he overwhelms Schmeling.

Really I dunno where this obsession with technically sound punches comes from. This isn't amateur Boxing. Least of all I don't know how it matters when discussing the poster boy for "Wicked Retaaa'd Strength, Kid".
Sure, "Maaa'ciano hit like a HOSS". But he wasn't technically sound himself. Wicked Killuh, but wicked wild too.

Oh, Schmeling was old when he fought Louis. His prime was several years before. Do you mind explaining how he was inconsistent then?

You must know that bauer himself thought Louis was all over him... He said as much to his corner Rusty, look it up..When coming back to his corner they encouraged him and told him "Louis was not hitting him" at which point it is documented he said: " Well then guys, you better watch the ref because he is beating the crap out of me." Look it up!