Marciano vs the following opposition

[Rusty Tromboni]

Just out of curiosity DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FACT IS? And before you go on some mad bugaboo do you bother to read what people who were experts at the time thought? Or do you just dismiss them in favor of believing you are some iconoclast?

Pablo Picasso, when he used the Cubist vocabulary Cezanne developed, produced work that many people thought was crap...and that is a bit of a generalization to make a point, I admit as much... But to the day that spaniard died, if he so desired, he could render you a painting in perfect conformity to what was considered "great" at the time... Before he did his own thinking and way he was well trained, he was great.

You don't get to just dismiss everyone when you don't show an understanding to begin with. You obviously have no understanding about Bauer and Ghost has taken the task of responding with some excellent information I hope you look at...CAREFULLY.

Maybe you should try moving on when you've been beat. I dunno why you're making things worse for yourself.

[Willie Pep 229]

You all made me go watch the Baer-Schmeling fight.

Boy Baer was a dirty fighter, throughout. Schmeling looked ineffective most of the time.

What was strange was the manner in which Arthur Donovan handled the 10th round knockdown.

He spent little to no time looking at Schmeling but seemed fixated on the time keeper's count.

Doesn't seem to actually pick up the count but instead lets the time keeper count. It is possible he does give Schmeling some verbal count, but never adds in the customary wave of the arm.

But a good stoppage!

NAC 467.740  Procedure for counting; knockdown; knockout; technical draw. (NRS 467.030)

1.  When an unarmed combatant is knocked down, the referee shall . . . audibly announce the passing of the seconds, accompanying the count with motions of his or her arm, with the downward motion indicating the end of each second.

[billeau2]

Maybe you should try moving on when you've been beat. I dunno why you're making things worse for yourself.

Yeah it is a contest with a judging panel...we already established that remember? want another prize for participation? Go to the table and take another... be my guest.

When you get a chance after playing with all your prizes and looking in the mirror at your best fan... Just as a novel approach, just to do something different....LEARN SOMETHING!!

[Rusty Tromboni]

Everything he told you is an accurate description. Yeah he embellished it, seasoned it with a little left hook essence, but his views are in conformity of people who trained Marciano and others, and even those who did not think much of him. Mainly: marciano was indeed deceptive. Marciano had that extra gear, and if you watch tape where boxing experts analyzed marciano's work, one can see that his he could suddenly overwhelm when he needed to do so.

And your point is?

[billeau2]

And your point is?

You can figure it out...Ill tell you how: Take the gum out of your mouth, thus freeing up a few more brain cells, look at a few tapes of Marciano, and instead of posting innanities? read up on what people have said about Marciano, both negative and positive. Learn something! Really win!

[Rusty Tromboni]

You must know that bauer himself thought Louis was all over him... He said as much to his corner Rusty, look it up..When coming back to his corner they encouraged him and told him "Louis was not hitting him" at which point it is documented he said: " Well then guys, you better watch the ref because he is beating the crap out of me." Look it up!

We all know that you read quips of Boxing history. What we'd like is for you to review the film and research the context.


Marciano aborted his comeback against Ingo.... so, using your logic, I should just say Marcianos beats NONE of these fights because at the thought of facing a live opponent with a real punch turned him yellow ... or "yeller" I suppose is how he'd say it.

So yeah, if we're taking the deteriorated versions of Baer and Schmeling... at least they could get their asses into the ring. Unlike Marciano, who quit after gighting Archie Fookin Moore... that's right ARCHIE MOORE FOUGHT FOR THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. How sh.tty must that era have been?

And to get decked by Moore... wow. Some hips that feller from brawwwkton had.

[billeau2]

We all know that you read quips of Boxing history. What we'd like is for you to review the film and research the context.


Marciano aborted his comeback against Ingo.... so, using your logic, I should just say Marcianos beats NONE of these fights because at the thought of facing a live opponent with a real punch turned him yellow ... or "yeller" I suppose is how he'd say it.

So yeah, if we're taking the deteriorated versions of Baer and Schmeling... at least they could get their asses into the ring. Unlike Marciano, who quit after gighting Archie Fookin Moore... that's right ARCHIE MOORE FOUGHT FOR THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. How sh.tty must that era have been?

And to get decked by Moore... wow. Some hips that feller from brawwwkton had.

Rather than assuming why Marciano stopped fighting read about it, there are many sources that describe, in detail the personality of marciano.

Rusty you do not base a premise on a negative. If Marciano had fought Ingo we would have a different conversation. its like me saying you must not like steak because you chose to cancel a reservation at a steak house. See the problem?

I don't care what version one is talking about for Bauer and Schmelling. There is no reason to believe either man could give trouble to Marciano. Ghost broke it down for you.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah it is a contest with a judging panel...we already established that remember? want another prize for participation? Go to the table and take another... be my guest.

When you get a chance after playing with all your prizes and looking in the mirror at your best fan... Just as a novel approach, just to do something different....LEARN SOMETHING!!

So here I am actually citing facts, but you talking out of your ass are going to tell me to "LEARN SOMETHING".

If irony killed that post would be a WMD.

Baer was lethal. Marciano was not. Marciano never even fought anyone as good as Shaaf.

Baer fought a prime Louis. Marciano did not.

Baer could get himself into the ring with two broken hands to fight prime Louis. Marciano was retired by Moore, and couldn't manage a comeback against Ingo.


And where do you get off comparing Louis to Marciano!? If you wanna pkay appeal to the masses, no one has EVER compared Louis and Marciano.... at least not anyone who's ever watched them, or Boxed himself.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You all made me go watch the Baer-Schmeling fight.

Boy Baer was a dirty fighter, throughout. Schmeling looked ineffective most of the time.

What was strange was the manner in which Arthur Donovan handled the 10th round knockdown.

He spent little to no time looking at Schmeling but seemed fixated on the time keeper's count.

Doesn't seem to actually pick up the count but instead lets the time keeper count. It is possible he does give Schmeling some verbal count, but never adds in the customary wave of the arm.

But a good stoppage!

NAC 467.740  Procedure for counting; knockdown; knockout; technical draw. (NRS 467.030)

1.  When an unarmed combatant is knocked down, the referee shall . . . audibly announce the passing of the seconds, accompanying the count with motions of his or her arm, with the downward motion indicating the end of each second.

Nice post, man! Try to catch his footage in color. You can appreciate him that much more. There's no mistaking him for JM Marquez but hes an impressive specimen. Not the caricature he has been reduced to.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rather than assuming why Marciano stopped fighting read about it, there are many sources that describe, in detail the personality of marciano.

Rusty you do not base a premise on a negative. If Marciano had fought Ingo we would have a different conversation. its like me saying you must not like steak because you chose to cancel a reservation at a steak house. See the problem?

I don't care what version one is talking about for Bauer and Schmelling. There is no reason to believe either man could give trouble to Marciano. Ghost broke it down for you.

Oh now I get it. You just want my attention.