The Best Referee Ever?

[QueensburyRules]

- -A note about Ron Lipton.

He was blackballed by the NJ boxing Commish and the police union also may have done the same when his testimony didn't match the prosecutors evidence as he witnessed at least portions of Hurricane Carter interrogation and evidence. Dunno how many years passed, but eventually the verdict was overturned with a new trial because of those tamperings that freed Carter without a verdict because most of the witnesses had died.

Ron also sparred Carter a great deal and hung out on occasion and said he took a turn for the worse which is the reason he arrested in the beginning, but admitted he could not know if he actually went that far.

First rate by the rules ref and how many 70 yr old refs in history could still whoop 2/3rds of the fighters he's assigned to?

[Willie Pep 229]

- -A note about Ron Lipton.

He was blackballed by the NJ boxing Commish and the police union also may have done the same when his testimony didn't match the prosecutors evidence as he witnessed at least portions of Hurricane Carter interrogation and evidence. Dunno how many years passed, but eventually the verdict was overturned with a new trial because of those tamperings that freed Carter without a verdict because most of the witnesses had died.

Ron also sparred Carter a great deal and hung out on occasion and said he took a turn for the worse which is the reason he arrested in the beginning, but admitted he could not know if he actually went that far.

First rate by the rules ref and how many 70 yr old refs in history could still whoop 2/3rds of the fighters he's assigned to?

I believe Carter was found guilty as well the second time (1976). He was eventually freed on appeal and not by a jury. It was the third trial the prosecutors chose not to pursue because it was the mid 80s by then.

In short, no racism, jut a good old fashion murderer who played the habeas corpus game and got himself out.

I'm a Paterson, New Jersey boy!

No one on our end, including the Black neighborhoods, ever though him anything more than a psychopath.

One guy I knew told me told me how every Sunday morning after church (mid-sixties) the big conversation of the day would usually be "Who did Carter attack last night?"

He would constantly liquor-up and go from club to club insulting women and then pounding on their boyfriends when they tried to step up and protect their dates.

Another guy I knew played high school basketball with Artis. Artis use to keep a loaded gun in his gym bag out on the court. (Although he likely had to, he was ganged-up.)

Carter was a psychopath. The cops didn't have to lie to convict him, he was convicted twice.

[smeck]

I believe Carter was found guilty as well the second time (1976). He was eventually freed on appeal and not by a jury. It was the third trial the prosecutors chose not to pursue because it was the mid 80s by then.

Right, thanks for the added info. Dylan hasn't sung "Hurricane" in many, many years. Probably it's because he was made aware of ALL the facts in the case. There's at least one website dedicated to confirming Carter's guilt...it's graphicwitness dot com run by Cal Deal.
https://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/index.html

Dylan biographer Howard Sounes said "Hurricane" was a good song in terms of drama and melody but it did have some errors (Carter was not the #1 contender) and "there was no reference to his antagonistic rhetoric, criminal history, or violent temper."

[Anthony342]

Yes, young Mitch Halpern seemed like he was going to be one of the best. There was some speculation that his demise, as well as referee Richard Green's, had something to do with guilt over not stopping a fight soon enough.

Arthur Mercante may be the best, although Mlls Lane, Mercante Jr. and Frank Cappuccino didn't seem to have too many questionable controversies. Frank always had that sad Klugman-esque expression and an amusing "ah-ah-ah," verbal warning when fighters were holding. I don't recall Tony Perez or Carlos Padilla as prone to too many gaffes.

Was also gonna say Mercante Sr. I remember him being interviewed for the One Nation-Divisible HBO special on the first Ali-Frazier Fight called The Fight of the Century. I believe Padilla was also interviewed for the Thrilla in Manila doc HBO did as well. I remember someone also telling me Mercante being called The Class of Boxing. Mils Lane seemed like a cool, no nonsense ref. He became so well known after Holyfield-Tyson 2 that he got his own syndicated judge show and played a referee on the stop motion claymation MTV show Celebrity Deathmatch.

[The Old LefHook]

Padilla? Is that the guy who removed Clay's glove from the backs of opponents' necks 1,000 times without ever taking a point? No such ref can be the best of all time.

[The Old LefHook]

It is said Dylan once departed an interview with Carter wearing a dumbfounded look, as if he might have gotten a full glimpse of the Rubin others knew. Too late, the song had been written and released, the man set free.

[Willie Pep 229]

Padilla? Is that the guy who removed Clay's glove from the backs of opponents' necks 1,000 times without ever taking a point? No such ref can be the best of all time.

Tony Perez was another who let Ali get away with grabbing Frazier's head; in Frazier II Ali spent the entire 12 rounds pulling Frazier's head into his chest and neutralizing any Frazier offense.

[QueensburyRules]

I believe Carter was found guilty as well the second time (1976). He was eventually freed on appeal and not by a jury. It was the third trial the prosecutors chose not to pursue because it was the mid 80s by then.

In short, no racism, jut a good old fashion murderer who played the habeas corpus game and got himself out.

I'm a Paterson, New Jersey boy!

No one on our end, including the Black neighborhoods, ever though him anything more than a psychopath.

One guy I knew told me told me how every Sunday morning after church (mid-sixties) the big conversation of the day would usually be "Who did Carter attack last night?"

He would constantly liquor-up and go from club to club insulting women and then pounding on their boyfriends when they tried to step up and protect their dates.

Another guy I knew played high school basketball with Artis. Artis use to keep a loaded gun in his gym bag out on the court. (Although he likely had to, he was ganged-up.)

Carter was a psychopath. The cops didn't have to lie to convict him, he was convicted twice.

- -I'm talking about when the court overruled the conviction base on rote memory when he was freed pending a new trial. I might have presumed the new prosecutor presented the evidence to a grand jury as a formality knowing they no longer had a credible case, but he remained free. And yeah, Carter had a roster of suits behind him keeping his case in the public eye with appeals.

So other than a crossed t or dotted i, I'm not sure what you're getting at?

[Willie Pep 229]

- -I'm talking about when the court overruled the conviction base on rote memory when he was freed pending a new trial. I might have presumed the new prosecutor presented the evidence to a grand jury as a formality knowing they no longer had a credible case, but he remained free. And yeah, Carter had a roster of suits behind him keeping his case in the public eye with appeals.

So other than a crossed t or dotted i, I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Sometimes you can be encrypted in your posts -- I got a touch of a sore spot when it come to people championing his innocence, So I probably miss-understood your post and over reacted.

Beside all the innocent people lives he ruined, the part that irks me the most (and obviously shouldn't) is the BS that he was robbed against Joey Giardello.

I am so overly sensitive with this guy that I stopped watching Denzel Washington films after "Hurricane" was released. At least Dylan had the character to admit he got conned.

[The Old LefHook]

Tony Perez was another who let Ali get away with grabbing Frazier's head; in Frazier II Ali spent the entire 12 rounds pulling Frazier's head into his chest and neutralizing any Frazier offense.

It could have been Perez. It happened a lot. I believe remember a lot of neck grabbing in Clay/Frazier III.