The Truth Finally Revealed: Wills ducked Dempsey!

[billeau2]

Ugh.

As a former teacher this stuff makes me cringe.

Have you ever heard of Occham's Razor? It's a neat little trick to apply to our thoughts. To self-regulate. To keep from going on wild tangents.

Look it up. While your storytelling is appreciated. When your posts start to lookime Maxine and Shortbus's, the true boxing fans feel like they've lost an ally.

Ive quoted Occham many times... And there is no proof that human beings started in one area of the world...It is a theory and that is the point. theories are not facts... If you do your research you will find that the single human idea comes out of the Aryan Invasion theory. Look it up.

Occham was about looking at the facts to come to the most common explanation which could be counted on to be true most of the time... There are no facts that tell us human beings came from one place...we assume so.

[billeau2]

I'll take that as a "no, but please let me off the hook, again".

Which I will. But let me leave you with this: life's complex. You're not doing yourself any favors by making it simplistic.

You have an incredibly inflated sense of yourself my friend! I could not give two s h its about your sense of gamesmanship. I was pointing out exactly what I meant by my statement. providing an example.

I know thats a foreign concept to you being that you never use examples, and seldom use facts... But it helps with clarity see? Now people understand my point of reference, I am glad that makes you feel like you won a toy at the fair boo boo! If your really nice Ill try to win the big bear for you!!

[billeau2]

They probably learned that from British troops.

Look at how old time fighters Boxed. Or the style McGregor has crafted today.

Surely they're not as good and it's not as violent as Mac & Co., but that's the obvious progenitor of this Nigerian style.

Now that... Might be one of the truly ******est things you ever said Rusty... Is that what you consider a fact? a statement to be upheld in a debate? have you ever looked at that part of the world and the fighting traditions? Let me guess...kind of like my hunting forays right?

So hotshot...heres a fact for you: those forms of combat being discussed were around a long time before the Brits came... So were indigineous forms of stick fighting in that area.

Want some more of your own medicine?

[billeau2]

- -Cebeza de Vaca records the first fist fights in North America by Indians that include sticks as cudgels in early 1500. They were nonfatal to keep the tribe strong with legal disputes this settled. This before the Figg backsword/foil/cudgel/fist academy.

These are original Asian stock from 50,000 to 15,000 yrs ago.

De Vaca was one of the handful of survivors from the ill fated military expedition to claim North America. After years of enslavement, he adopted a medicine show and took it west to freedom in Baja with the help of sign language as there were dozens of unrelated dialects he passed thru. The only thing that saved him was that original medicine show tradition from Asia.

50,000 years ago there was no concept of Ethiopia, Greece, Egypt, or Rome nor any sword and shield candied nonsense.

Your jumping all around the world QueenB! In North America the Indians had a whole spectrum of combative engagements. Flower Wars were fought as a sort of training...Two groups would agree to fight with certain restrictions, and the winner would get a certain amount of sacrifices... yada yada.

The Indians also had martial arts systems that they showed to the Spaniards... I often reflect on how good one would have to be to go into a battle, and take prisoners back (for the sacrifice). One priest described the technical use of the Obsidian blade demonstrated to him: "The Indian demonstrated leaping on the adversary, to gain an advantage and to suprise the adversary, with a blood curdling scream." The Aztecs also had death whistles for these screams...and if you ever hear these they sound really horrible!

None of this has anything to do with Ethiopia, Greece and even European fencing QueenB! The Spaniards had a viable sword tradition as did the other Europeans... The technology had no relation... Obsidian versus metal. I don't know what you are calling BS on.

[travestyny]

Is that what it said though?

Or are you twisting the truth again, to fit your narrative?

Jackson never proved a worthy challenger. Certainly not one for Sullivan, then king of the world, to abandon de fact retirement for. If Jackson didn't decline an offer from Sully, that's fine. Don't change the fact that Jackson wasn't fit to carry Sullivan's jockstrap.


I bet he did a helluva job shinning shoes, doe.

Fit my narrative???? I posted everything I found about it directly into the thread. I know you know how to find it. Go back and revisit it so you can laugh at your embarrassment.

Don't try to change the fact that Sullivan ran away from the fight. Point blank period. You know it and I know it. But you think it was because....Jackson was Black.

Oh shlt, I do, too. I guess you've come around after it was beat into you.

Sullivan very plainly does not want to give a Black man even a chance at the title

He refused to fight him on equal terms to a White man

Good boy.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Fit my narrative???? I posted everything I found about it directly into the thread. I know you know how to find it. Go back and revisit it so you can laugh at your embarrassment.

Don't try to change the fact that Sullivan ran away from the fight. Point blank period. You know it and I know it. But you think it was because....Jackson was Black.

Oh shlt, I do, too. I guess you've come around after it was beat into you.






Good boy.

So you're agreeing that Jackson got uppity.

Sullivan may not have wanted to fight Jackson. But only an idiot would say Sully ducked him.

Jackson clearly wasn't on his level (Jackson knew it too). I fail to see the reason for Sullivan to reduce himself to Jackson's level.

Sullivan DID return to the ring of course when a proper challenger surfaced. He didn't need to. It was clear his time had passed. But he manned up, none the less.

Sorry Peter Jackson was never good enough to be that man.

You're the only one who thinks otherwise.

[QueensburyRules]

Your jumping all around the world QueenB! In North America the Indians had a whole spectrum of combative engagements. Flower Wars were fought as a sort of training...Two groups would agree to fight with certain restrictions, and the winner would get a certain amount of sacrifices... yada yada.

The Indians also had martial arts systems that they showed to the Spaniards... I often reflect on how good one would have to be to go into a battle, and take prisoners back (for the sacrifice). One priest described the technical use of the Obsidian blade demonstrated to him: "The Indian demonstrated leaping on the adversary, to gain an advantage and to suprise the adversary, with a blood curdling scream." The Aztecs also had death whistles for these screams...and if you ever hear these they sound really horrible!

None of this has anything to do with Ethiopia, Greece and even European fencing QueenB! The Spaniards had a viable sword tradition as did the other Europeans... The technology had no relation... Obsidian versus metal. I don't know what you are calling BS on.

- -We already know U don't know.

The origins of boxing are in our genetics. 50,000 years ago there were just unnamed land masses with emerging mankind, some of whom populated the last unpopulated landmass fit for populating. They brought in the example I cited of fist and stick fighting.

No billygoat men were around then to interview them about what else they brought, but we know the Seminole ancestors in Floriduh kicked their rusting armored behinds in that left the few survivors floating on a raft until washing up half dead in Galveston Island where they were made ****** and beaten regularly.

Time to study up and get with the program.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Now that... Might be one of the truly ******est things you ever said Rusty... Is that what you consider a fact? a statement to be upheld in a debate? have you ever looked at that part of the world and the fighting traditions? Let me guess...kind of like my hunting forays right?

So hotshot...heres a fact for you: those forms of combat being discussed were around a long time before the Brits came... So were indigineous forms of stick fighting in that area.

Want some more of your own medicine?

You do know Nigeria was a British colony, right?
America was a British Colony! (White people didn't always live here. How do you think they got here?)

Lemme guess, you think Britain only sent soldiers to Nigeria that weren't interested in Boxing? They did everything they could to isolate Nigeria from Boxing.

You're from NYC. So i'm sure you think the world's most popular sport is Yankees.. err Baseball... they're synonymous there right? Guess what! Outside America there's only a handful of countries where baseball's followed. And NO other country plays Aericam Gridiron Football.

Do you know what IS the world's most popular sport? Association Football - Soccer. It's followed by Cricket. Do you know where they come from? That's right, Great Britain.

Here's one that'll blow your mind: you're sitting in front of a computer talking about Boxing. Do you know where Computers and Boxing originated? Great Britain, too!

You gotta get yourself out of the little world you've trapped yourself into.

The world is a big place.

Nigeria is a former British colony. People there, just like YOU, have been influenced from things abroad, namely the British Isles.

I'd love to see your evidence that "those forms of combat were around long before the Brits came". Were you there to see it yourself? What documentation do you have of its existence? That it existed in the present form? Can you find other contemporary but unrelated peoples doing something similar... particularly in areas that aren't under British dominion?

Like I said there's a thing called Occham's Razor. Look it up. When properly applied it makes everything clearer.

[travestyny]

So you're agreeing that Jackson got uppity.

No, but we know that a black man scared the shlt out of Sullivan

Sullivan may not have wanted to fight Jackson. But only an idiot would say Sully ducked him.

That's exactly what he did. Ducked him.

Jackson clearly wasn't on his level (Jackson knew it too). I fail to see the reason for Sullivan to reduce himself to Jackson's level.

Sullivan DID return to the ring of course when a proper challenger surfaced. He didn't need to. It was clear his time had passed. But he manned up, none the less.

Sorry Peter Jackson was never good enough to be that man.

You're the only one who thinks otherwise.

Your opinion about whether he was good enough means squat here. No one expects a racist like you to give him is just due. You already admit what's important.

Sullivan may not have wanted to fight Jackson.

He was afraid of losing to a black man. You know it and I know it. It makes you mad, but dem be the breaks, kid!


By the way, no talk of all of the smaller fighters your boy fought, huh? I thought you'd conveniently drop that. lol


By the way, maybe you should read A. Polloack's book on Sullivan. Apparently, Sullivan thought Jackson was a very clever boxer . And many thought he was a coward for avoiding him. I mean, that's according to the book. Give it a read.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Another thing that developed in Great Britain in the 18th and 19th Century: false histories.

It's ironic, the culture that crafted and championed scientific inquiry would simultaneously create a sort of historic alchemy. But they did. It's very much in line with Romaticism.

But anyway shortbus buys the stuff hook line and sinker. It's cute. But you see the bloodshed it caused in Europe with Nationalism. It really started out as harmless entertainment which educated folks could see through. But it got way out of control.