The Truth Finally Revealed: Wills ducked Dempsey!

[travestyny]

because of T and looking at these issues with proof and logic while I don't know all the details about why the fight was not done, I actually think Ghost gave a great account of this in one of his posts... T has shown that

1) the contract was broken.
2) Made the point that Wills fought better competition than Dempsey.

I'd love to explain how I feel about all of this. A certain group of people always feel like I have evil intentions when I discuss this issue. It's simply not true. I have only been trying to do one thing with regards to this topic, and that's to reveal the truth. I never tried to sway anyone's mind about Dempsey. I believe Dempsey was a great fighter myself, and I've quite enjoyed reading about him in my research. His life was rather fascinating, and for the record, not only do I think the guy was nothing near a racist, I don't even think he cared much about race...to a certain extent.

From this point on is all my speculation. No, I don't believe that Dempsey feared Wills. I've said this repeatedly but that certain group of people I referenced above feel that if you say something negative about someone, even if it is the truth, then you're a "hater." I suppose they even add in race because apparently that's what's on their minds, and call me a "white fighter hater." But to the point, if you read their posts you'll often see them accusing me of saying Dempsey feared Wills. Come on. I don't believe boxers fear other boxers. Point blank period. Also, how many people must each of these guys have had around them all day every day saying how great they are? Do you really believe Jack Dempsey thought there was a man he couldn't beat at that particular time? I don't. However, and this is where race does come in, I personally believe that he felt the pressure from others regarding race. I don't think he wanted to risk his legacy becoming that of Jim Jefferies. Does anyone believe he wants to go through life with people saying, "Yo Jack. Hey man, you were great. But damn, why did you let down the white race like that?" It seems obvious to me that having that extra pressure, not because of his own beliefs, but because of so many people who think like that at that particular time, it was more than enough to make him swerve it. Some men are built for it, like Tommy Burns for example that gave Jack Johnson his shot, and some men couldn't handle it. And that is indeed a lot to handle if you let it get to you. Didn't Dempsey's wife call Wills a "slack jawed n-word." Would he be able to look her into the eyes the same way ever again after losing to a Black man? Dempsey didn't agree with the racist bs, but I think he felt the pressure. I mean aren't the signs there? He said he'd fight ANY man at MSG, declined when it turned out to be Joe Jeannette, and then said he'd instead fight any TWO white men.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did fear him, but personally I think he did not want to possibly go out like Jim Jefferies (and him even contemplating losing shows his respect for Harry Wills pedigree). He'd much rather be John L. Sullivan. Isn't it obvious since I've shown that Dempsey told Wills after awhile that he won't fight him for the championship, but will fight him in a winner take all match....and John L. Sullivan said the same damn thing to Peter Jackson. THE EXACT SAME RUSE. Do you really think Dempsey just came up with that out of the blue???? Wasn't John L. Sullivan the first one famous for drawing the color line, or at least of the most well known for doing so?

So the irony is, I think Jack Dempsey swerved Harry Wills because of people like Rusty Tromboni. How the fvvck a racist piece of shlt like Rusty Tromboni exists in 2020 is beyond me!

Anyway, after I've presented time and time again the information that I've found, which is obviously pretty damn sound if I do say so myself, that group feels they have to go into defense mode. But we usually get down to the last line of defense: to say it doesn't matter that Dempsey swerved Wills because Dempsey would have won. Opinions about who would win the fight are just a way to deflect from the truth that Jack Dempsey ducked Harry Wills. Even if no one thought Wills could win, he deserved his shot. Boxing at that level isn't about the eye test, but the intangibles. Who will overcome adversity? Who will "figure out" their opponent. Whose mind is quicker? What adjustments are made? Wills obviously had the qualities of a great fighter because he was able to channel those intangibles at a high level, and against better competition than Dempsey even. Dempsey obviously has what it takes. The fight should have happened and we were robbed.

But no one should ever forget that Harry Wills was robbed far more than any one of us. His legacy deserves THE TRUTH. And nothing less. So I don't apologize for spreading the information that I've found, no matter who gets upset by it. No matter who calls me a racist (fvucking ridiculous).

It's the truth. What can I say? Like the Nature Boy, Ric Flair said, "If you don't like it. Learn to love it."

Dempsey likely went back and forth with himself about taking the fight, which is why there were these hiccups. Klompton seems to think they were always set ups by Dempsey and gang. I think Dempsey sincerely tried to make the fight with Fitz as promoter (and later the Chicago Coliseum Club), but once he realized that it was then REALLY a reality, he backed down and backed out. At least that's what history tells me. Some will add their own spin and say history tells them otherwise, but that still doesn't change the facts: The contract was valid. It was followed to a T by the promoter. The money was there. Dempsey stepped.

If 'you' don't like it......

[Rusty Tromboni]

Says the guy who's been banned for racism and still has a few racist gems around the board. If you need me to point them out, just let me know.

Until then, keep crying over the black boxers that made Dempsey shlt his pants

Yup.

I'm definitely highly offensive to the entitled class.

It's a point of pride.


Doesn't stop you from going down on me, either.

[billeau2]

I'd love to explain how I feel about all of this. A certain group of people always feel like I have evil intentions when I discuss this issue. It's simply not true. I have only been trying to do one thing with regards to this topic, and that's to reveal the truth. I never tried to sway anyone's mind about Dempsey. I believe Dempsey was a great fighter myself, and I've quite enjoyed reading about him in my research. His life was rather fascinating, and for the record, not only do I think the guy was nothing near a racist, I don't even think he cared much about race...to a certain extent.

From this point on is all my speculation. No, I don't believe that Dempsey feared Wills. I've said this repeatedly but that certain group of people I referenced above feel that if you say something negative about someone, even if it is the truth, then you're a "hater." I suppose they even add in race because apparently that's what's on their minds, and call me a "white fighter hater." But to the point, if you read their posts you'll often see them accusing me of saying Dempsey feared Wills. Come on. I don't believe boxers fear other boxers. Point blank period. Also, how many people must each of these guys have had around them all day every day saying how great they are? Do you really believe Jack Dempsey thought there was a man he couldn't beat at that particular time? I don't. However, and this is where race does come in, I personally believe that he felt the pressure from others regarding race. I don't think he wanted to risk his legacy becoming that of Jim Jefferies. Does anyone believe he wants to go through life with people saying, "Yo Jack. Hey man, you were great. But damn, why did you let down the white race like that?" It seems obvious to me that having that extra pressure, not because of his own beliefs, but because of so many people who think like that at that particular time, it was more than enough to make him swerve it. Some men are built for it, like Tommy Burns for example that gave Jack Johnson his shot, and some men couldn't handle it. And that is indeed a lot to handle if you let it get to you. Didn't Dempsey's wife call Wills a "slack jawed n-word." Would he be able to look her into the eyes the same way ever again after losing to a Black man? Dempsey didn't agree with the racist bs, but I think he felt the pressure. I mean aren't the signs there? He said he'd fight ANY man at MSG, declined when it turned out to be Joe Jeannette, and then said he'd instead fight any TWO white men.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did fear him, but personally I think he did not want to possibly go out like Jim Jefferies (and him even contemplating losing shows his respect for Harry Wills pedigree). He'd much rather be John L. Sullivan. Isn't it obvious since I've shown that Dempsey told Wills after awhile that he won't fight him for the championship, but will fight him in a winner take all match....and John L. Sullivan said the same damn thing to Peter Jackson. THE EXACT SAME RUSE. Do you really think Dempsey just came up with that out of the blue???? Wasn't John L. Sullivan the first one famous for drawing the color line, or at least of the most well known for doing so?

So the irony is, I think Jack Dempsey swerved Harry Wills because of people like Rusty Tromboni. How the fvvck a racist piece of shlt like Rusty Tromboni exists in 2020 is beyond me!

Anyway, after I've presented time and time again the information that I've found, which is obviously pretty damn sound if I do say so myself, that group feels they have to go into defense mode. But we usually get down to the last line of defense: to say it doesn't matter that Dempsey swerved Wills because Dempsey would have won. Opinions about who would win the fight are just a way to deflect from the truth that Jack Dempsey ducked Harry Wills. Even if no one thought Wills could win, he deserved his shot. Boxing at that level isn't about the eye test, but the intangibles. Who will overcome adversity? Who will "figure out" their opponent. Whose mind is quicker? What adjustments are made? Wills obviously had the qualities of a great fighter because he was able to channel those intangibles at a high level, and against better competition than Dempsey even. Dempsey obviously has what it takes. The fight should have happened and we were robbed.

But no one should ever forget that Harry Wills was robbed far more than any one of us. His legacy deserves THE TRUTH. And nothing less. So I don't apologize for spreading the information that I've found, no matter who gets upset by it. No matter who calls me a racist (fvucking ridiculous).

It's the truth. What can I say? Like the Nature Boy, Ric Flair said, "If you don't like it. Learn to love it."

Dempsey likely went back and forth with himself about taking the fight, which is why there were these hiccups. Klompton seems to think they were always set ups by Dempsey and gang. I think Dempsey sincerely tried to make the fight with Fitz as promoter (and later the Chicago Coliseum Club), but once he realized that it was then REALLY a reality, he backed down and backed out. At least that's what history tells me. Some will add their own spin and say history tells them otherwise, but that still doesn't change the facts: The contract was valid. It was followed to a T by the promoter. The money was there. Dempsey stepped.

If 'you' don't like it......

Couldn't say it better myself T... For one thing there were racial issues of the day, and that always risks getting put on interpretations from the vantage point of today. You outlined a few of the more relevant of these issues: there was a Typhoid Mary type attitude about fighting Black Fighters. Whether it is management, or the fighter who makes the final decision, is kind of irrelevant. Its just something people dealt with and it cost guys like jeanette, McVay, Wills tremendously.

[Black Jesus]

You know how fake the news is today, you don't think they were just as fake back then?

[travestyny]

Yup.

I'm definitely highly offensive to the entitled class.

It's a point of pride.


Doesn't stop you from going down on me, either.

You still here?


I would have thought you'd choke on a c@ck and die since no one backed you up on the resume debate.

But then again, everyone is aware that you don't know shlt.

Come back when you find a reputable list that ranks Gibbons over Langford, son

[Rusty Tromboni]

I'd love to explain how I feel about all of this. A certain group of people always feel like I have evil intentions when I discuss this issue. It's simply not true. I have only been trying to do one thing with regards to this topic, and that's to reveal the truth. I never tried to sway anyone's mind about Dempsey. I believe Dempsey was a great fighter myself, and I've quite enjoyed reading about him in my research. His life was rather fascinating, and for the record, not only do I think the guy was nothing near a racist, I don't even think he cared much about race...to a certain extent.

From this point on is all my speculation. No, I don't believe that Dempsey feared Wills. I've said this repeatedly but that certain group of people I referenced above feel that if you say something negative about someone, even if it is the truth, then you're a "hater." I suppose they even add in race because apparently that's what's on their minds, and call me a "white fighter hater." But to the point, if you read their posts you'll often see them accusing me of saying Dempsey feared Wills. Come on. I don't believe boxers fear other boxers. Point blank period. Also, how many people must each of these guys have had around them all day every day saying how great they are? Do you really believe Jack Dempsey thought there was a man he couldn't beat at that particular time? I don't. However, and this is where race does come in, I personally believe that he felt the pressure from others regarding race. I don't think he wanted to risk his legacy becoming that of Jim Jefferies. Does anyone believe he wants to go through life with people saying, "Yo Jack. Hey man, you were great. But damn, why did you let down the white race like that?" It seems obvious to me that having that extra pressure, not because of his own beliefs, but because of so many people who think like that at that particular time, it was more than enough to make him swerve it. Some men are built for it, like Tommy Burns for example that gave Jack Johnson his shot, and some men couldn't handle it. And that is indeed a lot to handle if you let it get to you. Didn't Dempsey's wife call Wills a "slack jawed n-word." Would he be able to look her into the eyes the same way ever again after losing to a Black man? Dempsey didn't agree with the racist bs, but I think he felt the pressure. I mean aren't the signs there? He said he'd fight ANY man at MSG, declined when it turned out to be Joe Jeannette, and then said he'd instead fight any TWO white men.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did fear him, but personally I think he did not want to possibly go out like Jim Jefferies (and him even contemplating losing shows his respect for Harry Wills pedigree). He'd much rather be John L. Sullivan. Isn't it obvious since I've shown that Dempsey told Wills after awhile that he won't fight him for the championship, but will fight him in a winner take all match....and John L. Sullivan said the same damn thing to Peter Jackson. THE EXACT SAME RUSE. Do you really think Dempsey just came up with that out of the blue???? Wasn't John L. Sullivan the first one famous for drawing the color line, or at least of the most well known for doing so?

So the irony is, I think Jack Dempsey swerved Harry Wills because of people like Rusty Tromboni. How the fvvck a racist piece of shlt like Rusty Tromboni exists in 2020 is beyond me!

Anyway, after I've presented time and time again the information that I've found, which is obviously pretty damn sound if I do say so myself, that group feels they have to go into defense mode. But we usually get down to the last line of defense: to say it doesn't matter that Dempsey swerved Wills because Dempsey would have won. Opinions about who would win the fight are just a way to deflect from the truth that Jack Dempsey ducked Harry Wills. Even if no one thought Wills could win, he deserved his shot. Boxing at that level isn't about the eye test, but the intangibles. Who will overcome adversity? Who will "figure out" their opponent. Whose mind is quicker? What adjustments are made? Wills obviously had the qualities of a great fighter because he was able to channel those intangibles at a high level, and against better competition than Dempsey even. Dempsey obviously has what it takes. The fight should have happened and we were robbed.

But no one should ever forget that Harry Wills was robbed far more than any one of us. His legacy deserves THE TRUTH. And nothing less. So I don't apologize for spreading the information that I've found, no matter who gets upset by it. No matter who calls me a racist (fvucking ridiculous).

It's the truth. What can I say? Like the Nature Boy, Ric Flair said, "If you don't like it. Learn to love it."

Dempsey likely went back and forth with himself about taking the fight, which is why there were these hiccups. Klompton seems to think they were always set ups by Dempsey and gang. I think Dempsey sincerely tried to make the fight with Fitz as promoter (and later the Chicago Coliseum Club), but once he realized that it was then REALLY a reality, he backed down and backed out. At least that's what history tells me. Some will add their own spin and say history tells them otherwise, but that still doesn't change the facts: The contract was valid. It was followed to a T by the promoter. The money was there. Dempsey stepped.

If 'you' don't like it......

Was that really meant for this thread, or Billeau's Inbox?

You know you typed all those words with no hope of anyone else reading them or caring what you think.

You're that cum-dumpster thst the whole team ****s. No one likes you. No one even thinks you're hot. We sure as hell don't want to be seen in public with you. But you hang around looking to get ****ed, so we all make sure to get a turn stuffing you. We dont need you or want you, but we can't turn down the opportunity, either.
And while you can't see thst billeau does, so he shows pity on you.

You still here?


I would have thought you'd choke on a c@ck and die since no one backed you up on the resume debate.

But then again, everyone is aware that you don't know shlt.

Come back when you find a reputable list that ranks Gibbons over Langford, son

Awww. And just last night you were crying that you love me, and you wanna have my babies!

Sorry, unlike you, I don't let other people do my thinking for me. I refer to the facts, and apply sound logic to reach conclusions. That's the simple secret to why I whoop your ass every time you say something ******. That's my power over you. Something that simple.

I get it, you found an institution that would accept lots and lots of your money to give you a piece of paper. But they didn't teach you how to think, and you're worse off for it.

There is a silver lining; you're life's not a complete waste:
It's always hilarious to watch you slam your head against the wall when other people just won't buy the bullsh.it you're peddling.

Like I said the bi.thch the whole team fooks

[travestyny]

Was that really meant for this thread, or Billeau's Inbox?

Either way, the message wasn't for you bltch boy. You just keep doing what your doing....ie. getting stomped out by me from thread to thread.

I bet it hurt your feelings that no one bought your bullshlt about Gibbons being ranked higher than Langford. Did you cry that Dempsey has a weaker resume than a black man. Hurts you real bad, didn't it.

Guess what? All that blabbing and nothing about this topic because you have no comeback. No one takes you seriously, son. Why do you think half the community has you on ignore and the other half can't tell you apart form Queenie who can't even string a cohesive sentence together 90% of the time


Come back when you find that reputable list that ranks Gibbons over Langford.



Until the next time that I own you, which is sure to be soon if history tells us anything....tell me how my cum tastes


Ps. Please point out the times you "whipped my ass." Because from my count, you got EMBARRASSED about Sully ducking Jackson, EMBARRASSED about Lomachenko being P4P #1, and now EMBARRASSED about Dempsey having a better resume than Wills. I'm sure I'm missing some more in there since I've owned you repeatedly. REPEATEDLY. You're batting 0 kid because you are a 0. Now go finish choking on your dog's dlck bltch. Thanks.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Not much on this thread has any relevance to Dempsey or Wills anymore, but no doubt would titillate alternative non boxing sites to great amusement.

[billeau2]

Was that really meant for this thread, or Billeau's Inbox?

You know you typed all those words with no hope of anyone else reading them or caring what you think.

You're that cum-dumpster thst the whole team ****s. No one likes you. No one even thinks you're hot. We sure as hell don't want to be seen in public with you. But you hang around looking to get ****ed, so we all make sure to get a turn stuffing you. We dont need you or want you, but we can't turn down the opportunity, either.
And while you can't see thst billeau does, so he shows pity on you.



Awww. And just last night you were crying that you love me, and you wanna have my babies!

Sorry, unlike you, I don't let other people do my thinking for me. I refer to the facts, and apply sound logic to reach conclusions. That's the simple secret to why I whoop your ass every time you say something ******. That's my power over you. Something that simple.

I get it, you found an institution that would accept lots and lots of your money to give you a piece of paper. But they didn't teach you how to think, and you're worse off for it.

There is a silver lining; you're life's not a complete waste:
It's always hilarious to watch you slam your head against the wall when other people just won't buy the bullsh.it you're peddling.

Like I said the bi.thch the whole team fooks

Rusty

Stop characterizing me...You did it with Marg also. Your way off base. And "we?" What "we" is that exactly? Lefty thinks your a churl, I don't even know what a Churl is, but it don't sound so good.

I don't really even have to say that I have the utmost respect for Marg and T, my actions demonstrate it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Either way, the message wasn't for you bltch boy. You just keep doing what your doing....ie. getting stomped out by me from thread to thread.

I bet it hurt your feelings that no one bought your bullshlt about Gibbons being ranked higher than Langford. Did you cry that Dempsey has a weaker resume than a black man. Hurts you real bad, didn't it.

Guess what? All that blabbing and nothing about this topic because you have no comeback. No one takes you seriously, son. Why do you think half the community has you on ignore and the other half can't tell you apart form Queenie who can't even string a cohesive sentence together 90% of the time


Come back when you find that reputable list that ranks Gibbons over Langford.



Until the next time that I own you, which is sure to be soon if history tells us anything....tell me how my cum tastes


Ps. Please point out the times you "whipped my ass." Because from my count, you got EMBARRASSED about Sully ducking Jackson, EMBARRASSED about Lomachenko being P4P #1, and now EMBARRASSED about Dempsey having a better resume than Wills. I'm sure I'm missing some more in there since I've owned you repeatedly. REPEATEDLY. You're batting 0 kid because you are a 0. Now go finish choking on your dog's dlck bltch. Thanks.

So how's that weave coming?

Rusty

Stop characterizing me...You did it with Marg also. Your way off base. And "we?" What "we" is that exactly? Lefty thinks your a churl, I don't even know what a Churl is, but it don't sound so good.

I don't really even have to say that I have the utmost respect for Marg and T, my actions demonstrate it.

You're the only one who takes Maxine seriously.

While I piss off a lot of people it's simply because I cant tolerate idiots and I owe it to the sport I love to purge it of its lesser element of fans. Either get better, or get out.


And the only reason anyone else here engages Maxine is the guilty pleasure we have of excoriating her. She posts drivel for precisely that reason: to get attention. Too bad she can't give it as well as she takes it.