Would American dominance of boxing in the 70s,80s been different

[Marchegiano]

Well Spazzo, i'm impressed.

Another post without a bizarre non-sequitor referencing an ancient Greek folk hero.

Whatever dosage of medicine they got you on right now, it's working.

I dunno what the fook you're saying. But that don't matter, i never took you seriously anyway.

That's your ass handed to you, we can all see it plain as ****.


I do not know why the default for being ****ed up around here is acting confused. Okay, well, now you're dumb **** for what you said, and twice the dumb **** for not following. Dumbass.

[Marchegiano]

What's a stretch? That an observable trend will continue?

I'm not sure what's more predictable.


It's cool you studied other languages, though. I hope to learn one more before I die. But I really should get English down first.

Dumb on purpose, case in point.


You're not too ****** to understand he told you you're using a narrow scope that's self-prophetic. My dumbass got it just fine and you insult my intelligence every single time we interact so why the **** can I follow and you can't smart guy?

[Anthony342]

That conclusion is a giant stretch Rusty. Simplier usually is more the reality and the reality is we see socio-economic indicators that point to boxing hegemony. And America has for most of that time, nurtured that process, as opposed to Canada, or Europe for example. Something about the opportunities, the encouragement each group had to work hard with just enough assistance to keep working hard.

You see it everyday. There are no more Puerto Rican grandpa's in the basement of New York walk ups teaching their kids how to box...they have moved to Long Island, or Florida...Now it is Mexican and Central American grand pa's teaching their kids to box in the same walk ups.

He called you out on this and let me say this. Whatever you may think of Marg he does research into aspects of lineage, title and other influences that developed into the sport we have today. Research is not sexy, it is not pretty...quite honestly? the process itself does not usually even take much intelligence. It is a burden and only after the work is done can the intellect be used.

I studied religion and ancient texts in grad school...everyone thought this was like Indiana JOnes...far from it, you look at a character, and even though it is the same character, because of when the text was written, and because the group who wrote it had a take...It is yet another meaning...

The worse though? is Sanskrit. My friend did that and eventually decided on Tibetan Language. You have to be crazy to try to study Sanskrit... Craaaaazy.

mag is a good man. He does the grunt work that matters.

You just reminded me of Jeremy Piven in the movie PCU, which is a 90s version of the movie Animal House. In the scene when college kids need papers after they lose the ones they're typing on the computers that accidentally get unplugged, one of the students needs a paper on his major which is Sanskrit and Piven goes "Sansrkit. Sansrkit. You're majoring in a 10,000 year old dead language. (blank stare, looks through his papers, finds one) Latin, it's the best I can do" haha.

[Anthony342]

That is a stretch and a half. That is not nearly enough information to make that determination. Maybe it is because MMA and Kickboxing are not as desirable for the top of the fighting talent pool...So the less talented go into the sport that pays less and is not as popular as boxing.

Maybe there are specific coaches in areas that make great participants. The Dutch are known for great kick boxing, not coincedntally the great fighter John Blume, was instrumental in developing a great program over there.

Russia and the Eastern Euro states also have a very well developed and comprehensive Sambo program. Sambo is Russian Judo and has been developed and used by the Staci, the KGB, AND...also has a biomedical aspect, developed scientifically. To top it all off there is also a sports program in Sambo where many great MMA guys from that area were trained, like Oleg Tarkenof.

This Sambo development is in addition to the boxing program that the soviet state shared with Cuban coaches...So there are aspects to Eastern European talent that can easily be explained. Look up SAMBO. You will find that there are indeed 3 aspects t the development of the art: As a form of Judo, as biomedical physiology and as an art used for combat.

And Brazil? you have a similar thing with Gracie Ju Jutsu. Important thing to remember: While Judo in Japan was stopped cold during the war, this never happened in Brazil. So the art was allowed to evolve all those years uninterupted.

Not only Oleg Taktarov, but a much more successful practitioner, considered either the GOAT heavyweight or overall GOAT, there's also Fedor, at one time called The Baddest Man on the Planet. There was even a documentary about him that had that title.

[billeau2]

What's a stretch? That an observable trend will continue?

I'm not sure what's more predictable.


It's cool you studied other languages, though. I hope to learn one more before I die. But I really should get English down first.

Do you speak another? If you ever do learn one...Its a lot cooler to learn a language that can be spoken. My friends who studied Tibetan and....Sanskrit (Puts both hands on head and ducks down quickly) never can get the satisfaction of using their skills.

I made sure I practiced my Mandarin consistently and at my zenith I was almost fluent... But could never make it over to Taiwan to immerse. I also had wanted to get my 5th dan in Japan...Oh well, can't do it all I guess lol.

I can speak a bit and stuff, but if I had an immersion in the language for a few weeks I would be fluent. I would never go to the mainland though...

[billeau2]

Not only Oleg Taktarov, but a much more successful practitioner, considered either the GOAT heavyweight or overall GOAT, there's also Fedor, at one time called The Baddest Man on the Planet. There was even a documentary about him that had that title.

Yes. Taktarov was specifically a Sambo prodigy. Fedor was incredible and I do not know where he was initially grounded.

[Rusty Tromboni]

That's your ass handed to you, we can all see it plain as ****.


I do not know why the default for being ****ed up around here is acting confused. Okay, well, now you're dumb **** for what you said, and twice the dumb **** for not following. Dumbass.

Sure, if that makes you feel better, believe that.

For what it's worth i'm thrilled that we have a kid on the spectrum posting here. Your rants make it much more entertaining.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yes. Taktarov was specifically a Sambo prodigy. Fedor was incredible and I do not know where he was initially grounded.

Combat Sambo.

But he clearly adapted himself to MMA much better than Taktarov.

Same with Igor Vovchanchyn... he was a kickboxer, but not a particularly experienced one.

Both guys were like McGregor... natural fighters who rose to the top despite countless disadvantages.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Dumb on purpose, case in point.


You're not too ****** to understand he told you you're using a narrow scope that's self-prophetic. My dumbass got it just fine and you insult my intelligence every single time we interact so why the **** can I follow and you can't smart guy?

If he wants support he'll buy a jockstrap.

You can't even formulate a cogent post, let alone find a meaningful place in this discussion, do you really think Billeau wants you defending him?

Do you really think he was asking me not to pick on you because he respects you as a man ?Or do you realize that he sees how vulnerable you are and that I have a bad habit at going a little too hard at my targets- who, unlike you, are adults and can handle it?

Sure, your mom thinks you're cool. The Special Needs teachers at your school say how precious you are. The manager at the Chucky Cheese where you've had your last 25 birthdays always gives you a high five. I bet you've had your picture taken with Firefighters, politicians, and members of pro-sports teams. Probably you sing great Christmas carols every year at the local Nursing Home. But here you're just a kid with Asperger's who spazzs out and its funny. No hope of ever being taken seriously.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Do you speak another? If you ever do learn one...Its a lot cooler to learn a language that can be spoken. My friends who studied Tibetan and....Sanskrit (Puts both hands on head and ducks down quickly) never can get the satisfaction of using their skills.

I made sure I practiced my Mandarin consistently and at my zenith I was almost fluent... But could never make it over to Taiwan to immerse. I also had wanted to get my 5th dan in Japan...Oh well, can't do it all I guess lol.

I can speak a bit and stuff, but if I had an immersion in the language for a few weeks I would be fluent. I would never go to the mainland though...

That's really cool. I would love to learn Chinese. But I totally agree that the mainland should be avoided like the plag....


Well, how about Japanese, is that any more difficult? If anything, going the should EXTEND your life.