Harry Greb in 1919

[Willie Pep 229]

OMG. Dude.


Dempsey agreed that he would be paid $300,000 on August 5th, and $500,000 10 days before the fight.

That's the contract he signed.


You did see where I posted that a guarantee check for $300,000 was posted on August 5th, right????

This isn't rocket science, bro.

No it's not, it's just another Chicago scam!

One, I question that validity of that supposed posted $300,000 check considering they already bounced one check.

Two, by then (August 5th) Dempsey was already signed to fight Tunney. So they were a little late coming up with the (supposed) guarantee don't you agree? (Especially since you said this had been going on since 1925.)

If Dempsey feared Wills as you want to believe why then did he sign the original contract to begin with? According to people who think like you, Dempsey had been 'ducking' Wills since 1922.

So what are we suppose to believe, that Dempsey forgot he was afraid of Wills, signed to fight him in '25 and then suddenly remembered he was afraid of Wills and ran away?

That makes no sense; you, your science, and your rocket are grounded!

It was about their inability to come up with the money, period! That's why Dempsey walked.

There is only one way for us to settle this argument, I am going to outlive you, and then I'll be right! LOL

[travestyny]

No it's not, it's just another Chicago scam!

One, I question that validity of that supposed posted $300,000 check considering they already bounced one check.

They didn't bounce a check to him. Fitzsimmons did. I've already stated this but you are still going on with your own agenda.

Two, by then (August 5th) Dempsey was already signed to fight Tunney. So they were a little late coming up with the (supposed) guarantee don't you agree? (Especially since you said this had been going on since 1925.)

No. Dude.
He signed the contract in March. The contract stipulated that he will not be allowed to fight anyone else. Him signing to fight Tunny is what broke the contract!!!!

If Dempsey feared Wills as you want to believe why then did he sign the original contract to begin with? According to people who think like you, Dempsey had been 'ducking' Wills since 1922.

Explained that in my post above. I think he wanted the money but when it got closer, he backed out. I also believe he let Rickard get into his ear, and Rickard wanted him to avoid that fight like the plague.

So what are we suppose to believe, that Dempsey forgot he was afraid of Wills, signed to fight him in '25 and then suddenly remembered he was afraid of Wills and ran away?

That makes no sense; you, your science, and your rocket are grounded!

I can see you're getting upset, so we can end this convo. soon. But to answer your question, I think he got cold feet. Plain and simple.

It was about their inability to come up with the money, period! That's why Dempsey walked.

There is only one way for us to settle this argument, I am going to outlive you, and then I'll be right! LOL

hahahaha. Ok, I see your tone is not what I thought it was above. At least we can share a laugh about it. lol

It's not my intention to argue about this. You're welcome to believe what you want. But the facts are there. The money was proven to be there.

I don't really want to keep saying the same thing over and over, so we can leave it at that. But I do appreciate the convo, bro.!

[QueensburyRules]

They didn't bounce a check to him. Fitzsimmons did. I've already stated this but you are still going on with your own agenda.





No. Dude.
He signed the contract in March. The contract stipulated that he will not be allowed to fight anyone else. Him signing to fight Tunny is what broke the contract!!!!



Explained that in my post above. I think he wanted the money but when it got closer, he backed out. I also believe he let Rickard get into his ear, and Rickard wanted him to avoid that fight like the plague.




I can see you're getting upset, so we can end this convo. soon. But to answer your question, I think he got cold feet. Plain and simple.




hahahaha. Ok, I see your tone is not what I thought it was above. At least we can share a laugh about it. lol

It's not my intention to argue about this. You're welcome to believe what you want. But the facts are there. The money was proven to be there.

I don't really want to keep saying the same thing over and over, so we can leave it at that. But I do appreciate the convo, bro.!

- -U back as another bad rash of dishonorable or stoopid, or maybe a bad combo of both.

[travestyny]

Willie Pep 229

One last thing, bro, about why he signed and then backed out.


Recall that Dempsey TWICE drew the color-line. Drew it when he became champ, took it back and said he would fight anyone because he needs the money, then drew it again. Then claimed he never drew the color-line.

I think he just was never sure if he wanted to go through with fighting a black fighter. Again, just my opinion, but his history with the color line fits into that perfectly.

Again, I don't think he was afraid of Wills. I think he was afraid of potentially losing to a black fighter. Not due to racism, of course. It was just strange times where race was made much more important than it ever should have been.

[travestyny]

- -U back as another bad rash of dishonorable or stoopid, or maybe a bad combo of both.

Care to tell me what I got wrong there?


I bet you don't because you know what the deal is Plain to see why your comeback has no substance about boxing. Come back when you can add something to the discussion without getting things wrong like you already did, chump

[travestyny]

Excellent piece by boxingscenes own Cliff Rold:

https://www.boxingscene.com/boxing-w...b-1919--147680

Really good article. Thanks for drawing my attention to it! I might want to check out that book.

I had a thought after reading it. Greb vs. Langford in a battle of the giant killers. Typed it into my browers and ran into a site with that topic, and it seemed to be a straight sweep for Langford. Jumped back here to see if one exists, and it does. A straight sweep for Greb.

Would have been amazing to watch that one. I didn't bother bumping the thread since having no footage of Greb really kills it for me.

[Willie Pep 229]

Willie Pep 229

One last thing, bro, about why he signed and then backed out.


Recall that Dempsey TWICE drew the color-line. Drew it when he became champ, took it back and said he would fight anyone because he needs the money, then drew it again. Then claimed he never drew the color-line.

I think he just was never sure if he wanted to go through with fighting a black fighter. Again, just my opinion, but his history with the color line fits into that perfectly.

P.S. Another breached contract occured in '22 but not with Wills, but with Carpentier. When Demspey freturned from Euope in May of '22 he announced that he signed for a rematch with Carpentier in Paris. -- Doc Kearns confirmed that they had signed, but nothing ever came of it.

Again, I don't think he was afraid of Wills. I think he was afraid of potentially losing to a black fighter. Not due to racism, of course. It was just strange times where race was made much more important than it ever should have been.

A fair assessment!

I have several articles where Dempsey flips back and forth on the issue. Though I suspect that the press releases where he 'draws the color line' were actually written by Rickard and when the press was able to corner Dempsey alone he would always claim he wants a Wills fight.

The best one happened when his sparing partner Big Bill Tate fought Wills for the 'Colored' title. I think it was the Denver fight in '21 (there were several). Dempsey worked Tate's corner and before the fight announced that he 'felt the winner should get a shot at his title.'

A few days later, After Wills won the match (PTS 12/12) there was another of those press releases (that sounds nothing like Dempsey) where he once again states he won't be crossing the 'color line.'

Rickard was having a hard time keeping Dempsey on a short leash.

[QueensburyRules]

Care to tell me what I got wrong there?


I bet you don't because you know what the deal is Plain to see why your comeback has no substance about boxing. Come back when you can add something to the discussion without getting things wrong like you already did, chump

- -Been here all along.

U candy melting again?

[JAB5239]

Glad you enjoyed. Reading Compton's massive bio now. It's like a McCullough Pres bio. I'll review that as well when I'm done.

I also appreciated this. Klompton is another excellent source of information from that era, especially concerning Greb.

[QueensburyRules]

I didn't bother bumping the thread since having no footage of Greb really kills it for me.

- -What we have of Wills kills Wills.

I don't judge Harry at the end of his career, but U simpleton ways kills any gravitas U purport.